Comments from Scientologists
Some time ago you made the following challenge (cut/pasted
below) and an offer to host my response on your website, well,
do you keep your word once given? Are you worthy of trust?
If so, I would expect you to post my reply to your challenge
(which I have also cut/pasted below) While I am not
challenging direct 'data' errors, my challenge is for your
websites claim-bake larger data error that *Scientology is
bad.* So, as it says in the "Way to Happiness" - "Be Worthy
of Trust" and "Keep your word once given" When and where can
we expect to see my challenge, the one reposted below on your
"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" email@example.com wrote
in message news:firstname.lastname@example.org...
> On Mon, 9 May 2005 14:27:19 -0400, "SunSurfer" therealmsoftime.net wrote:
>> Xenu.net is a great source of DIS-INFORMATION about the
>> Church of Scientology.
> After 8 years, finally someone to take on my challenge to
> list the errors on Operation Clambake - www.xenu.net. I'll even
> host your revealing report on www.xenu.net!
> I'm so happy, give it to me!!!
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund # home.online.no/~heldal # www.xenu.net
> Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
Where does one begin? Practically every page on hotdog, I mean, "operation clambake" has an issue connected with it, but I'll start with your own personal sentiments about all this: "...The goal of my involvement (Operation Clambake etc) is not to convert existing Scientologists. I don't believe I'm that good at debating. My motivation is first and foremost to try to prevent new people from being recruited into this cult by making critical information easily available. ..."
So you don't try to "convert" existing Scientologists, because
they have the accurate knowledge of how it really is and they are a
tough sell. Granted there are those who 'leave' the church, and go
practice in the 'freezone' but they are still Scientologists - and would give
an assist if need be. So your target suckers are the uninformed because
that is where your advantage lay. Most people are NOT scientologists
therefore it is EASY to make them think that YOUR VERSION of Scientology
is THE VERSION - and hey, how are they to know the difference? They
won't. Then there are the "ex-scientologists" which is a kind of
oxymoron, since they have the knowledge (mostly, but usually not the
auditing tech) and since knowledge is 'fungible it can be applied into
other areas of their living, they have understanding of ARC, KRC,
cycle of actions, the tone scale etc. - their 'case' has been 'as-is'd'
and so they are free to walk away with the benefits without the
This is Tory Magoo. She was a professional PC, she knows the comm. cycles, and the personnel, she knows a lot about it, its strengths, its perceived 'weaknesses' but she doesn't know the tech. She can't audit anyone else out of a paper bag.
So if you *consider* Scientology deceitful then it is? No. I can tell
you, as one who has studied and worked many hours and many years with
the tech, it is not a fraud - the problem, if any, lies with the
situation we find ourselves in, and of which all human beings today are
somewhat responsible - we are in a naturally flawed condition, which is
only understood with an understanding of Dianetics. These difficulties
are very SIMPLE mechanisms that have been discovered in Scientology and
since discovered can be eliminated and thus rendered "null and void." -
Thus we become unflawed and to greater degree and thus better able to
survive and achieve happiness. Anyone can easily test its workability
for themselves with the "Self Analysis" book for instance.
So therefore, we believe we have the knowledge and the benefits and most important, the RESPONSIBILITY. Tory and ex'es have the benefits of Scientology without the responsibility. There's is a kind of fascism of knowledge. You, the intentionally unknowing, enforce unwarranted conclusions upon innocent readers, which is intended as you admit to '3rd party' scientology and scientologists - and create difficulties.
That is the big picture.