One opened, more to go... Operation Clambake present:

"FAGGOT!!!!!"


 

Two of my reasons for replying is to 1: show a friendly face, and 2) learn from their reactions. The text below is exactly as it was sent to me and how I replied (except I removed the name etc of the sender).

From: [NAME REMOVED]
To: ahl@xenu.net
Subject: Why Are You So Hateful to ETHICAL People!?!
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:26

Sir:

My name is [NAME REMOVED] and I live in [PLACE REMOVED] and I am out and PROUD- that's right, OUT as a Scientologist and very upset when people flabbergast and relate untrue information about what is my RELIGION and not a"cult" what ever you think that means, dude!

Of ocurse I am taking a risk confronting you. You know talkiung yto an supressive like you is not what we do- not because we will be attacked as yuou lie and say on your web, but because it will do no good to reach the small number of people wjho are oipposed to the goals of Ron and are JEALOUS because there asre ethical folks out there whgo dont need "prozac" to find the inner beauty of true freedom and don't end up in psych wards like you loosers!

Why do you deny the truth???? Jealius looser???? My wins are undeniable; for years I followed the bio-rhythms odf life and then found there was much muich more that yu didn'tr need to be a prisoner to your "cycle" or be a druggie, faggot or other anit personal personality types like you who repress and call cULTs to freedom!!!!

Maybe you are gay ??? Is Norway filled with you type? Smoke crack much? Come clean Andre- you know you arw an agent of the blodlust! And you know we ARE WINNING AND THERE IS NO DOUBT WE WILL BE WINNING MORE WHATEVER DUDDE YOU LOOSER!!!!

i WILL DEbate you anytime you want. Comne yo LA IF YOU DARE I dare you to come here and say these things to my face, to EIGHT MILLION COMITTIED SCIENTOLOGISTS FACES to people whgo love Ron and know Ron so loved the whole world and every man in it (EVEN you SP!!!!) that he gave his hiolwe life to fixing ot and destroying the reactive mind and so many many other problems that guy slike you FEAST on!

The gauntlet is down! Whatever dude, the time is NOW! In LA you will meat ! you Waterloo and go down in flames how fitting cos you are a FAGGOT!!!!!

Bring it on! Don't sing it, breing it motherfuckerr!!!!!!

SIGNED [NAME REMOVED], PROUDLY COS [ORG NAME REMOVED] OT1 and counting!!!!!!!

From: "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <heldal@online.no>
To: [NAME REMOVED]
Subject: RE: Why Are You So Hateful to ETHICAL People!?!
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 06:18 2006

Dear [NAME REMOVED],

Hate is a destructive emotion, I strive to be constructive. My opposition to CoS is based on rational investigation of available information, not emotions. You can't belittle my criticism by rejecting it as only an emotion. I challenge you to be serious and honest towards the facts.

At 04:26 02.01.2006, you wrote:
> My name is [NAME REMOVED] and I live in [PLACE REMOVED] and I
> am out and PROUD- that's right, OUT as a Scientologist and very upset
> when people flabbergast and relate untrue information about what is my
> RELIGION and not a"cult" what ever you think that means, dude!

What I define as a cult is well described on my website, something I suggest you actually read and investigate BEFORE you start criticizing it.

You claim you have found untrue information on my site and I challenge you to present it to me. Please let me know where it is! I want to remove any untruths, or at least offer to host your rebuttal next to whatever you do not agree with.

> Of ocurse I am taking a risk confronting you. You know talkiung yto an
> supressive like you is not what we do- not because we will be attacked
> as yuou lie and say on your web, but because it will do no good to reach
> the small number of people wjho are oipposed to the goals of Ron and are
> JEALOUS because there asre ethical folks out there whgo dont need "prozac"
> to find the inner beauty of true freedom and don't end up in psych wards
> like you loosers!

Be aware that "true freedom" as you mention includes freedom to disagree with you - and express it publicly. If that is a problem for you then you have a problem with true freedom.

For your information I have never used Prozac or ever been in a "psych ward", and I consider myself a very ethical person.

> Why do you deny the truth???? Jealius looser????

Subject to the fact that I don't know you, there is as far as I know nothing you got that I am jealous about. As for truth I am looking forward to all the errors you are going to point out on my site. Please send it to me as fast as possible.

> My wins are undeniable; for years I followed the bio-rhythms odf life
> and then found there was much muich more t! hat yu didn'tr need to be a
> prisoner to your "cycle" or be a druggie, faggot or other anit personal
> personality types like you who repress and call cULTs to freedom!!!!

I can't speak for what you have been mixed up with before CoS. Personally I have a good life, not being mixed up in any frauds or weird pseudo-science ways to run my life. I'm happy and I have a good and successful life. If that type of argument works for you then it should work for me too.

> Maybe you are gay ??? Is Norway filled with you type?

That is so sweet, you are your own worse enemy. Do you seriously believe you gain anything by arguing like this? I can't imagine what you might have hoped to achieve by sending this e-mail to me, you sure aren't a good judge of character or any good at communicating. And you are very poor at doing basic research before jumping into such a debate.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you have a new chance to correct my first impression. Please use it wisely.

> Smoke crack much?

Never in my life.

> Come clean Andre-

That's Andreas.

> you know you arw an agent of the blodlust!

Agent of bloodlust?? I don't understand you... Maybe you should consider resting and counting to 10 before writing and sending anything? Your writing seems to be very angry and emotional, sort of out of control.

> And you know we ARE WINNING AND THERE IS NO DOUBT WE WILL BE
> WINNING MORE WHATEVER DUDDE YOU LOOSER!!!!

Whatever what?

We know that CoS is loosing members all over the globe. We got the numbers and we got the people who have been inside CoS and can document the negative trend. The stats used inside CoS are false and can not be validated.

> i WILL DEbate you anytime you want.

Good, this can be interesting. :)

> Comne yo LA IF YOU DARE I dare you to come here and say these things
> to my face,

I've been to LA and I'm sure to come back. However, before you manage to control your emotions and anger I suggest we keep our debate over e-mail. When people dare you in anger it usually looks like a threat and I do not appreciate threats.

> to EIGHT MILLION COMITTIED SCIENTOLOGISTS FACES to people whgo love
> Ron and know Ron so loved the whole world and every man in it (EVEN
> you SP!!!!)

There are no public statistics in the world that can confirm the outrageous claim that there are 8 million Scientologists. On the contrary; it's a proven lie.

> that he gave his hiolwe life to fixing ot and destroying
> the reactive mind and so many many other problems that guy slike
> you FEAST on!

L Ron Hubbard is a proven fraud, there are many books, official reports and judgements from all over the world documenting this. In his own deluded mind he was almost a god. But he was no great man outside the mind of his own and his followers. You can worship whoever you want, that is part of your freedom, but you can not expect public claims about who you worship not to meet some public scrutiony. This is the 21st century, get used to it.

> The gauntlet is down! Whatever dude, the time is NOW! In LA you
> will meat ! you Waterloo and go down in flames how fitting cos you
> are a FAGGOT!!!!!

I consider that to be a threat of violence. I seriousely suggest you carefully clarify exactly what you mean or I will have to forward this to the police. I give you a week.

I can't understand why you folks are so angry and violent! And why do you have to make up fantasies about peoples sexual preferences? I can only guess it is because you have no real arguments, so you have to go ad hominem.

> Bring it on! Don't sing it, breing it motherfuckerr!!!!!!

Slow down, friend. Take a deep breath and try to show me the lies you claim is on my site - and we'll take it from there.

Take care.

Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund    #    home.online.no/~heldal    #    www.xenu.net
Phone: +47 88 00 66 66 # Address: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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Each of us does what we can do.   Our obligation is to do it as well as
we can,  with as much grace, dignity,  integrity and honor our egos can
tolerate.
---------------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----

From: [NAME REMOVED]
To: "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <heldal@online.no>
Subject: RE: Why Are You So Hateful to ETHICAL People!?!
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:48:01

I will have more to say in the futre but for now......

Violence? Threats? where did I do this, huh? I will state CATEGORICILLY now: I [NAME REMOVED] DID NOT threaten you or anyone wlse- ever hear of metaphor, dude? TYpical od your world's tactics the worlds that gave us Iraq and Hitler. Typical because there are no real facts yo report so you go to the Police! How am I "gonna get you"??? You live in Norway! What am I going to take a fishing boat to Helsinki and make you eat a carp???? No way I don't have TIME for shit I GOT A PLANET TO CLEAR, MAN!!!!! Serious Busines!

I am going throtugh your site one by one right now. I fear NOTHING! Do ou not think we have heard the lies about OT3??? Tell me, now you are talking to a REAL Scientologist, and I have heard from THE Source, the greatest humanitarian this world has ever known L. Ron Hubbard

Don't ypou know huis history of truth and justice? Oh, that's right I guess you prefer Knut Hamsun is this what you Norwegians call "ethical"???

Kill JewsMuch????

Facts are these: ALLmen of goodwill are welcome at ANY Org or Mission. No doubt, you get caught with a overt on race- OUT YOU GO!!!!!! Maybe you do not know but in Los Angeles we have the whole world right here! I have Vietnamese friends and Black Africans from Angola, Senegal and Namibia in my groups, there are Ukrainian doctors and Armenians from Glendale who have the GUTS t try to find the only true way to inner peacer in 700 TRILLION YEARS OF RECORDED HISTORY!!!!!

What AWESOME ideas! My God what a loing time to go in the dark of prehistory and then yto have ONE man discover it all only to be hounded and dodged and threatened and even while "dead" you people still won't leave Ron alone! Tell me what is it in your past that hads led ytou to htuis spritiaul isolatioon adn enturbulation?????? Misery is a CHOICE! So is VIRTUE! Yes the Tech is hard Yes the Tech takles years YES this is arduis! But what price Fredom you guys??? You have 300 Quadrillion years to go before trhis universe is out! What then is auidirting for a few years and spending a little time you usually would cruisngf gay bars instead of making your ETERNAL SOUL free of the traumas that have KEPT YOU HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!???!!!

I for one am OUTTA HERE!

Lies about Hubbard will do you no good. The TRUTH is this! YES Ron was nearly killed in WWII fighting your buddy Hitler and therein was the basis of his discovery of DIanetics! Bt this was only the first step! Who knew that what was further out there were repressive souls trillions of years old and put there to destroy us????? This is no joke! This is the bigest Cosm! ic rip off in the history of the fucking universe! And YES we learn about implants long before the OT 3 you lie about on the site. I know OTs way beyonf 3, dude- non of them hvae ever lost their minds! In a sense they have- they have lost the "mind" of the temporal world which is wrong and compromised! There is SCIENCE to back this up or are you for "intelligent design" to ha ha ha!!!!

To much to talk about now. Keith Henson is a anarchist and a criminal and Dave Tourettes-Key is a TERRORIST who posted bomb instructions on his site with the purpose of havoing guys like you blow up Orgs!!!!!

I know you guys inside out. You see, you tell the world we are kept in hermetically seal chambers like Michael Jackson oer something and poor poor little Clams (how HATEFUL to call us that, you call Jews "kikes" to like national hero "Nut" Hamsun????) don't know anything about the world,...but the Org has NEWVER stopped me from looking at anything! Why don't you ask us ? The truth is that id you did cherished assumptions would fly out the window like a "patient" in a psychiatrist's ofice going out the window thanks to KILLER Prozac!!!!

Do you work for the Psychs? Wherre is your financial statements? We Americans have a sating: Whose your daddy??? Who pays the bills to keep this madness alive?

Do you really mean it that you present opposig views? Then by all means why don't you publish mine? There is NOTHING for me to fear- I fight for an ethical world and a clean clear planet- the Org isnt going to throw me "overboard" (another iof your fuckin lies).

The gauntlet is down! Let's get it on, dude! hereis one Scientologist who is made as hell and not going to take it anymore! As Ron said "honest people have rights to!" We are 8 MILLION STRONG AND GROWING FASTER AND FASTER THE STATS ARE UP THE ETHICS ARE IN THE TECH IS STANDARDIZED AND THE RACE TO SAVE MANKIND IS BEING RUN BY THE BEST, BRAVEST AND ELITE OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE!!!!1

I'm going to be part of the group that Saves the Human race!

What have you done with your life, "comrade"?

[NAME REMOVED], [PLACE REMOVED] PROUDLY Scientologist!!!!!

From: "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <heldal@online.no>
To: [NAME REMOVED]
Subject: RE: Why Are You So Hateful to ETHICAL People!?!
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:21

At 21:48 02.01.2006, you wrote:
> I will have more to say in the futre but for now......
>
> Violence? Threats? where did I do this, huh?

Read your first e-mail again. I get a lot of weird stuff from Scientologists and some times I have to go to the police with it.

> I will state CATEGORICILLY now: I [NAME REMOVED] DID NOT threaten
> you or anyone wlse-

Thanks, then that's settled.

> I am going throtugh your site one by one right now. I fear NOTHING!
> Do ou not think we have heard the lies about OT3??? Tell me, now you
> are talking to a REAL Scientologist, and I have heard from THE Source,
> the greatest humanitarian this world has ever known L. Ron Hubbard!&n!

I have contacts with thousands of former Scientologists and many of them have done OT3. It is well documented that the story about Xenu is really there. If you have done OT III and say it is not then I will note that as the first.

CoS has also admitted in court many times that the story of Xenu is part of their secret OT3 level. So you might need to deny it because you don't like it, but it will not change anything.

> bsp; Don't ypou know huis history of truth and justice? Oh, that's
> right I guess you prefer Knut Hamsun is this what you Norwegians call
> "ethical"???

You are generalizing now, don't you know what Hubbard said about that? Poor way of arguing, is this how your logic work? By the way, I have never read much Hamsun.

> What AWESOME ideas! My God what a loing time to go in the dark of
> prehistory and then yto have ONE man discover it all only to be
> hounded and dodged and threatened and even while "dead" you people
> still won't leave Ron alone! Tell me what is it in your past that
> hads led ytou to htuis spritiaul isolatioon adn enturbulation??????
> Misery is a CHOICE! So is VIRTUE! Yes the Tech is hard Yes the
> Tech takles years YES this is arduis! But what price Fredom you
> guys??? You have 300 Quadrillion years to go before trhis
> universe is out! What then is auidirting for a few years and
> spending a little time you usually would cruisngf gay bars instead
> of making your ETERNAL SOUL free of the traumas that have KEPT YOU
> HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!???!!!

There is so many spelling errors in your text that I am starting to suspect you of being a troll. Usually Scientologists pride themselves of at least pretend they are more able than the rest of us (and always fail).

> I for one am OUTTA HERE!

> Lies about Hubbard will do you no good. The TRUTH is this! YES
> Ron was nearly killed in WWII fighting your buddy Hitler and
> therein was the basis of his discovery of DIanetics!

Wrong, Hubbard was never in any combat situation in WW2. He is the only one claiming he was, there is no record of him ever being.

> Do you really mean it that you present opposig views? Then by
> all means why don't you publish mine?

I take this as your approval to publish all your e-mails to me.

If you had bothered to READ FIRST before you try to criticize it then you would have know that I have had such an offer all along:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/free_speech/

I even gave you one simple link in my last reply that would have brought you to this page if you had bothered to read it. Something you obviously didn't. Why should I take your criticism seriously??

> There is NOTHING for me to fear- I fight for an ethical world and
> a clean clear planet- the Org isnt going to throw me "overboard"
> (another iof your fuckin lies).

If you knew before you were then you probably wouldn't have been there.

Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund    #    home.online.no/~heldal    #    www.xenu.net
Phone: +47 88 00 66 66 # Address: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Each of us does what we can do.   Our obligation is to do it as well as
we can,  with as much grace, dignity,  integrity and honor our egos can
tolerate.
---------------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----

And it seems like his communication skills ran out...

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell

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