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An example of the people writing to me. Name and identy removed to protect the guilty.

From: [NAME REMOVED]
To: ahl@xenu.net
Subject: URGENT!
Date: 28.04.2008

KSW LRH KSW LRH KSW LRH KSW LRH
LRH KSW LRH KSW LRH KSW

Why do you waste your time on this site full of lies? You have no proof and never will about how great it is. Scientology helps people, you people only help us by giving us more good press. Our rate is going up daily with more members and will proceed to do that. Maybe you can focus your "Free Time" on maybe improving your body? ...just a guess. I hope cancer will soon infest into your body and hopefully finally you will be erased.

L R H - 4 EVER!

From: ahl@xenu.net
To: [NAME REMOVED]
Subject: Re: URGENT!
Date: 28.04.2008

Dear [NAME REMOVED],

Please, I ask you to find all of my lies. Please tear my site apart. I even promise you that I will host your damaging report on my site for all to see! I expect it will be a simple task for you as it is, according to you, filled with lies. I seek the truth, whatever it may be.

While I trust that you are truthful if you tell me that Scientology and/or CoS has been good for you, I also have to give the same trust to all the other individuals who tell very different stories And I happen to know a lot.

I am looking forward to your reply.

Take care.

Best wishes,
Andreas
www.clambake.org
spirous.blogspot.com

From: [NAME REMOVED]
To: ahl@xenu.net
Subject: Re: URGENT!
Date: 30.04.2008

Why are you doing this? If people are happy with the choices they make in life, shouldn't they be left alone....

It's up to the person to decide what they believe in..

Do you really need a better hobby or possibly a real life partner ?

I just don't see how you gain for yourself...

You will probably respond with "uh, well i want everyone to know about the "cult" and uh the "Horrible" things they've done"

You, yourself taken any courses ? or are you like many of Anon that goes off bad media and deadly accusations.

If you actually want to help people in life, than possible consider stopping all this "fun"

From: ahl@xenu.net
To: [NAME REMOVED]
Subject: Re: URGENT!
Date: 01.05.2008

[NAME REMOVED],

[NAME REMOVED] wrote, On 30.04.2008 23:54:
> Why are you doing this? If people are happy with the choices they make in
> life, shouldn't they be left alone....

It is not that simple. Take the Freezoners as an example. Nobody bothers them as there are no systematic trail of victims after them. They use Scientology but outside the CoS. The only reason I am involved as a critic of the Church of Scientology is because we have a scary amount of testimonies of people and families being ruined by it.

Ergo: People and organizations who do not hurt others are left alone.

> It's up to the person to decide what they believe in..

Absolutely, and nobody is trying to deny you or anybody else that right. But when the belief is presented to the public and the organization is trying to recruit in the public, then it is allowed to reply to it in public. That is freedom of speech. No religion or belief is exempt from criticism.

You can believe in green frogs on Jupiter if you like, I honestly don't care. But if you talk about it publicly you must allow others to reply to your public claims, and if there is suspicion that you hurt people or defraud them, then you must expect more spotlight put on you. And if we then find victims, you and the rest of the world will be informed. This is what is happening here.

> Do you really need a better hobby or possibly a real life partner ?

What do you know about my hobbies or partners? Nothing actually. I live a full life and I do many different things. I'm a very lucky guy. That makes IMHO the burden on me to contribute to society even bigger.

> I just don't see how you gain for yourself...

It is not only about myself always, you know. Sometimes we do things only because we believe it is RIGHT. I live in a society and I care about my fellow humans, I feel obliged to help even if I don't gain from it personally. Hopefully I am part of making life and society a little better.

> You will probably respond with "uh, well i want everyone to know about the "cult"
> and uh the "Horrible" things they've done"
>
> You, yourself taken any courses ? or are you like many of Anon that goes off bad
> media and deadly accusations.

I don't have to do suicide or street drugs to know both probably are bad for you. One advantage of being human, in contrast to only a wild animal, is that we have very advanced communication and reasoning skills. We can learn from each other! I can evaluate things and ideas without repeating errors. If every human had to repeat everything we would never evolve, we would have still been in caves.

We all do this every day, we evaluate the facts we have available and make assumptions as we mix it with personal experiences and previous assumptions. I have read a lot about cults, I've been religious myself and know a little about how it works in your mind. I've seen people being fanatical about a lot of weird things that can't all be true, so I know we are very capable of believing in things that are false. I can read the history of L Ron Hubbard (the one that they hide from those inside CoS) and see where he comes from, how his confident tricks work and what his real motives was.

All this instead of just assuming everything he and others tell me is 100% truth. You should not take anything for granted, including what I claim, you should investigate all available facts and make up your own opinion!

When I ask a Scientologist how much Scientology courses I have to take to be allowed to make an independent judgment of it they have no answer. Can I do the communication or SP/PTS courses and if I find them to be crap will you then agree that I know enough to dish Scientology? Or do I need to do OT III, or even wait for the highest levels to be released before I can make up an opinion about this being good or bad? I know many who have been in CoS for over 30 years and done ALL the courses. They tell me what it was and why it is a huge failure.

Of course this isn't how it works. I don't have to dedicate the rest of my life and all my money to be able to make up an opinion about Scientology or CoS. As you, I assume, haven't done with all the religions or ideologies you currently do not adhere to. Have you tried every version and method in psychiatry for example? If not, are you then not able to have opinions about psychiatry?

> If you actually want to help people in life, than possible consider stopping all
> this "fun"

It is not fun. There are far more ex-Scientologists than current Scientologists today and many of them find great therapy in all the information now available on the Internet. They weren't alone as they thought! All this information is available despite CoS and it is helping many. And we have a society with more freedom of mind and choice. Only a cult hates that.

Freedom of thought is dependant on people like you and me using our freedom of speech to communicate freely. The goal is not to reach an agreement, but to freely find what works for us. This is the biggest threat against totalitarian and fraudulent ideologies and groups - and obviously why CoS so brutally is fighting it.

Look at my site; you find links to both pro and con. You don't find ONE link to any critical information on any CoS sites. Nowhere! Who is afraid of you starting to think for yourself, who's most likely to have something to hide from you? I post with my full name and I am open about who I am and where I come from, and I ask you to try to figure out my motives and if I am trustworthy. And I never wanted you to agree with me or follow me, I'm just offering you free access to a lot of information if you ever should be interested.

I can't see you pointing out any of the lies you claim I have on my site. Are you still working on debunking them?

Take care.

Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # http://spirous.blogspot.com/ # xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion
and ignorance which does harm.
------------------------------------------[Marcus Aurelius]----

From: [NAME REMOVED]
To: ahl@xenu.net
Subject: Re: URGENT!
Date: 02.05.2008

If someone is happy with what they're doing life...why would you disrupt it?

And i would love to know what religion, if any...you believe in?

From: ahl@xenu.net
To: [NAME REMOVED]
Subject: Re: URGENT!
Date: 02.05.2008

[NAME REMOVED],

Do you read my e-mail at all? You are supposed to communicate. that means read what I write and reply. Give it some effort - if you really are interested.

I am a secular humanist.

Take care.

Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # http://spirous.blogspot.com/ # www.xenu.net
Phone: +47 88 00 66 66 # Address: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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"Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as well as
we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor our egos can
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From: ahl@xenu.net
To: [NAME REMOVED]
Subject: Re: URGENT!
Date: 03.05.2008

[NAME REMOVED],

Are you still working on the replies and to list all the errors on my site? :) Please tell me if you expect it to take long.

Take care.

Best wishes, Andreas Heldal-Lund # http://spirous.blogspot.com/ # www.xenu.net
Phone: +47 88 00 66 66 # Address: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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"Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as well as
we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor our egos can
tolerate."
---------------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----

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