From: Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: More lies from the cult, don't they ever learn?? Organization: Operation Clambake Message-ID: <5sl0mt8t9i65gtptqmkl1e6c0s58s6fuol@4ax.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:24:20 GMT New hate page on me from the cult: http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund1.html I can't help commenting: [CULT QUOTE START] ANDREAS HELDAL-LUND Norwegian citizen Andreas Heldal-Lund is a member of the Heathen Society of Norway, a religious hate group dedicated to the destruction of all organized religion, particularly Christianity. [CULT QUOTE END] A silly lie, the Norwegian Heathen Society never wanted destruction of any organized religion. We promote separation of state and church and freedom of thought and speech. That happens to include freedom to not believe in and to criticize religion. Scientologists somehow seems to find that difficult only when it includes criticism and disbelief of their beliefs and claims... [CULT QUOTE START] Heathen Society The following is taken directly from the Heathen Society of Norway's website. Here is what this group states as its goals: "Our goal is to contribute to the reduction of the overwhelming strength the church and Christianity have in Norway, with its exceptional position in Norwegian laws, school and culture. We also want to make people aware of the harmful side of Christianity and of all organized religions" "Especially, we will work against the State Church and other religious power structures." [CULT QUOTE END] Isn't it weird how Scientologists never dare to give you the link so you can go and check the reference and read the context? Well, here it is: http://www.hedning.no/hedning/arkiv/brosjyre/e-litt.html [CULT QUOTE START] With regard to Christianity, the website states: "Many people think that Jesus was the kindest man who ever lived. And in this belief they are members of the State Church. If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus actually was the Bible's only Hell-prophet." Heldal-Lund first appeared on the anti-religious hate scene in 1994 when he suddenly turned up at the Heathen Society's door, volunteered [CULT QUOTE END] Haha, like that is anything even close to the truth. Just making things up along the way, the Scientologists are good at that. And btw, I don't hate religion. Many of my dearest friends are deeply religious and it has never ever been a problem. [CULT QUOTE START] to start the local chapter in Rogaland, and at once began attacks against Christianity. This intense flurry of activity included writing several articles for the Heathen Society's magazine, "Between Us Heathens," that are clearly anti-religious in nature and target the Christian Church. In March 1996, Heldal-Lund and the leader of the Heathen Society, Halvor Raknes Johansen, conducted a campaign aimed at denying Christians the right to the practice of baptizing newborns. [CULT QUOTE END] The silliest thing so far. Neither Halvor or I have ever suggested to deny Christians or anybody else the right to baptize their own children. Scientologists prove again they are only a bunch of liars. [CULT QUOTE START] Copyright Anarchist [CULT QUOTE END] Webster says an anarchist is: 1 : one who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power 2 : one who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order Neither are even close to describe my opinions, on copyright or any other subject. Just more lies then. [CULT QUOTE START] Heldal-Lund's activities quickly spread from attacking the Christian Church to attacking the Church of Scientology. As part of this hate agenda, he willfully violated copyright laws and may have conspired with others to do so. [CULT QUOTE END] Yes, the cult is trying to build a case that this is some sort of conspiracy. Sadly for them they are chasing ghosts. [CULT QUOTE START] The following documentation was sent to Religious Freedom Watch from Norway. On November 6, 1996, just prior to posting copyrighted materials on the Internet, Andreas Heldal-Lund sent this email to a Norwegian psychologist (and fellow member of the Heathen Society) stating that he had retained the services of attorney Knut Vigeland: "Lawyer Knut Vigeland in Oslo will take the thing. The action will start on one of the next coming days. I will start working on a press release now, if you have a very extensive and updated list with flux numbers I would like to have a copy of that, or if someone can help sending it out. Corrections and other proposals to the page are appreciated, the address is temporarily [web address removed]. Regards Andreas Heldal-Lund." [CULT QUOTE END] Again silly. If they wanted to invent some silly stuff is this the best their imagination could create??? And what are "flux numbers"??? I never heard that before and defenitely never wrote any e-mail mentioning it. Lies, lies and more clam lies. [CULT QUOTE START] On November 7, 1996, the day after hiring this attorney, Heldal-Lund began posting Church of Scientology copyrighted materials on the Internet. [CULT QUOTE END] SUE ME AND PROVE THAT CLAIM!! You still don't dare, do you? Silly unable cult. [CULT QUOTE START] Following are some of the parties whom Heldal-Lund contacted by email on 20 November 1996 informing them of the details of his copyright infringement plan: Zenon Panoussis Ron Newman Dave Touretzky William Barwell Ted Mayett Per Lundquist [CULT QUOTE END] Scary people. Again made up links by the cultists, to suggest a conspiracy. [CULT QUOTE START] All of the above are known anti-religious extremists who have made documented attacks against the Church of Scientology. Zenon Panoussis is a known copyright anarchist who was sued and fined in Sweden for copyright violations. [CULT QUOTE END] They'll never forgive Zenon for the damage he did to the cult. :) [CULT QUOTE START] Ironically, Andreas Heldal-Lund is a computer technician employed by Hays Information Management, a prestigious company that is very sensitive about data security with regard to both their clients and their employees. [CULT QUOTE END] Wrong, I am the IT Manager of the company. Hope you didn't pay much for this very poor research. One good thing about the cultists this time though. They didn't use the lies about some murdered acquaintance of mine. Best wishes, Andreas Heldal-Lund, Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway Pho: +47 88 00 66 66 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: ahl@xenu.net home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning --------------------------------------------------------------- "Against human nature one cannot legislate. One can only try to educate it, and it is a slow process with only a distant hope of success. - Bernard Bernstein ---------------------------------------------------------------