Individual posts are seperated by [END POST] and [NEW POST] marks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Deprogrammers and Rape From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:51:17 -0600 Ted Patrick, the "father" of deprogramming and thrice convicted felon, and several others were indicted after abducting a 20-year-old woman and taking her to Alabama, where she was repeatedly raped over the course of the seven-day deprogramming. Patrick, who received up to $15,000 plus $250 per diem for a single deprogramming, has used violence not only to change individuals' religious but their political persuasion and even their sexual orientation. In one case, Patrick resorted to rape in an attempted deprogramming of a lesbian. Patrick's tactics were adopted by later deprogrammers. As you shall read. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Secret -- Smecret -- No big deal From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:35:18 -0600 Poor old ARS telling lies all the time about the secret agreement. Big deal. Looks perfectly upstanding to me. But those poor ARS liars -- Minton paid amongst them -- raged on. Secret, Smecret. Sheesh. Guys, get a life. Will ya. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS dead end on secret, Smecret From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:41:08 -0600 ARS posters promised alot, counted on alot on the secret agreement being big time. Instead, they get a "what's the big deal?" Secret, smecret. But something that undoubtedly has piles and piles of dirt behind it is Minton investing all that money into ARS and elsewhere. How's he handling that on his taxes. Boy, now that is something to look at. And it will looked at as I intend to write some letters. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS defended deprogrammers From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:51:28 -0600 It is a proven fact that ARS posters -- most of them, one had saw through the 60 Minutes of lies BS -- supported the 60 Minutes of lies show. That support was deprogramming because that is all the 60 Minutes of lies programme was really about. The viewers were completely mislead. But ARS posters were not, they know the truth of deprogramming -- kidnapping, rapes, physical abuse, psychological abuse, brainwashing, sleep and food deprivation, tied to beds, locked in small rooms, not allowed to go to the bathroom alone, not allowed to go to the bathroom and on and on. Kisser's organization, the terrorist organization it was is gone. A new CAN exists. I heard it is receiving more calls that ever before. Very positive and from those who need real help. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Deprogrammers -- A Violent Poeple From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:11:08 -0600 Deprogrammers Carmine and Joy DeSanctis have both been criminally convicted in connection with their CAN-related activities. Carmine DeSanctis pleaded guilty to charges of false imprisonment in Sept 1993 in connection with the failed deprogramming of Laverne Collins Macchio. Posing as a pizza delivery man, Macchio's kidnappers snatched her in front of her own home in Boise, Idaho, as her three small children on in horror. She was dragged across the lawn screaming, forced into a waiting vehicle and driven to a remote cabin where she was held against her will. ARS posters praising the 60 Minutes of lies show were lauding and supporting the above actions. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS support of CAN and Deprogramming From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:11:21 -0600 Joseph Szimhart: In a 1990 newspaper article, Joseph Szimhart, deprogrammer in the Cult Awareness Network stable of hired kidnappers, boasted of having conducted some 25 deprogrammings. Szimhart admitted to getting most of his referrals directly through CAN. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The Secret that wasn't From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:11:30 -0600 Another ARS lie and pipe dream goes down to the lowest part of the ARS sewer. The secret that turned out to be no secret. ARS is racking up the losses. ARS sees the world as a lie because its own world of ARS is a lie, founded on a lie, lived as a lie. ARSL (ARS lies) Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARSL From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:11:39 -0600 ARSL ARS Lies. This unveils the definitive term for ARS -- ARSL Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Reminder: Scientology Expands eveery day of the Week From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:39:19 -0600 Scientology spans the world, as a true and great religion it brings LRH technology to those who desperately seek to create better lives and a better world. Now ARS on the other hand wants to destroy the possibility of a better world and certainly destroy the possibility of anyone becoming more able. Happy. They fear that. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Kidnapping for Hire From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:51:14 -0600 Though deprogrammers initially leveled their assaults at members of new religious movements, many other mainstream faiths were soon added to the list: Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, members of the Church of Christ, Baptists, Amish, Moslems, Buddhists, Mormans, Greek Orthodox, Christian Scientists and Seventh Day Adventists have all been attacked. Deprogrammers are, in fact, anti-religionists. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The thing ARS hates the most -- truth From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:01:13 -0600 In typical ARS deceitful fashion -- lies, tricks a la Minton's dead cat and never allow the truth to exist -- some forging of my name on posts has been perpetrated. Now this should be considered the ultimate compliment and I do consider it so. ARS wants desperately to shut me up. They don't like the truth coming at them. They are founded on a lie and they are living a lie. ARS creates harm and destroys truth. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ML -- A Dead CAT From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:11:39 -0600 Shades of Minton's dead cat seem to be overall operative mode for ARS posters. The paid ARS posters, of course, use any old thing they want to use -- the truth be damned. Like that failed writer. Vaughn I think is his name. But back to my observation. Since the dead cat ploy was exposed for the bad worn out old trick that it is, it has been noticed that another deceitful gimmick is in vogue amongst ARS posters. And that is the "unsubstantiated report" and the "rumour." So, neutral readers and the unprejudiced the intelligent, should take note. ARS posters use decit to say any lie they want. And it is noted. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: look what Minton bought From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:21:18 -0600 He bought an ARS lie about the agreement. He got nothing for his money. There was nothing there. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: 60 Minutes of lies on Catherine Lane From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:41:04 -0600 60 Minutes of lies engaged in Kisser's lies and 60 Minutes of lies own manipulation of the facts. 60 Minutes of Lies about Catherine Lane Deposition of Catherine L. Lane 16 November 1994 In the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois County Deparment, Law Division Re-examination Q Did you talk to somebody about that retraction before you came here today? A No. I made up my own mind, because I'm tired of the stress that it's causing me. Right now I don't need any more possible stress because I may be pregnant and I don't need it. At my age it's a very high risk. Q The retraction doesn't mean that your prior statements were false, does it? A. No. Mr. Moxon: Okay. I have got no further questions. So, ARS likes half truths as well. But I have provided the whole truth. ARS would have you believe lies. Catherine Lane mentioned stress in her life. For the record, part of that stress was coming a convicted felon, a deprogrammer -- Galen Kelly. This puts another 60 Minutes of Lies lies to rest. Not to mention another that ARS wanted you to believe was the truth. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The data was true -- ARS and 60 Lies wanted you to believe it was false From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:41:06 -0600 Catherine Land never ever said that the data in her affidavit about Kisser at the Blue Not was false. No. In fact, in a deposition in 1994 she said that her prior statements were not false. Q. That retraction doesn't mean your prior statements were false, does it. A. No. (Catherine Lane) ARS would have you believe any kind of lie. I have provided the truth. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Jury through Kisser out faster From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:41:17 -0600 Some additional data has come my way regarding how fast the jury in the Chicago found for the Church and Heber Jentzsch and 100% against Kisser. For the sake of accuracy and veracity, the jury deliberated only an hour in finding for the Church and Heber and against Kisser and CAN. I had previously reported 2 hours plus. No, they didn't need that much time. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing -- Burke From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:11:07 -0600 ARS will not triumph. Good men are doing something about it. Carmine and Joy DeSanctis pleaded guilty to the felony charges of second- degree kidnapping in Idaho District Court in Boise, Idaho. All the data about the kidnapping can be found in that court case. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Business Certificate for Partners From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:21:20 -0600 The undersigned do hereby certify that they are conducting or transacting business as members of a partnership under the name or designation of Spiegelman & Berry Signed 15th day of MAY 1984 Jerome L. Spiegelman Graham E. Berry Inquiring minds will do some research to find out who Jerome Spiegelman is. It is a fascinating story. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Think for yourself -- Reject the ARS party line From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:51:16 -0600 60 Minutes of Lies did not want its viewers to have a chance of thinking about the data presented. It distorted even the lies that were told. No, the program had an agenda to get the viewers to swallow the lies hook, line and sinker. ARS came on and crowed about how great the program was. ARS posters knew how distorted the programme was, they also knew the depth of the lie that was being perpetrated on the viewers. ARS did not point this out, instead they went with the lies. That is the sum and substance of ARS. I am exposed the 60 Minutes of lies over the past couple days. ARS has been screaming because I have. Their posts prove it they prefer lies. Read the affidavits that each connect CAN to deprogrammers; these affis do not quibble. CAN or Kisser never sued these people she couldn't. She'd have lost. She knew they knew and that is that. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS supports illegal leaking of Settlement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:33:11 -0600 It is clear from the ARS posters that they support the leaking of the confidential settlement and the breaking of the US Tax laws. Where will the Internal Revenue Service's investigation take it -- probably right to the doorstep of ARS. I wouldn't doubt. ARS posters are trying now to draw attention away from a legal investigation to the rightness of the criminal act of leaking the document. Condemning leagal acts and urging illegal acts has been an ARS mainstay for sometime. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS Condemns Legal investigation of Leaked IRS Settlement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:41:05 -0600 ARS is the first to comdemn IRS's pursuit of criminals who leaked the settlement. ARS even has an attitude toward deprogrammers that have been found guilty of a felony/crime and gone to jail -- their attitude is "SO WHAT." Man, how criminal can you get -- answer -- as criminal as ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: IRS investigation of leak Condemned by ARS Posters From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:51:04 -0600 I quote for facts an ARS poster supporting the criminal who violated the US Tax Laws in another illegal action against not only the American public right to legally granted privacy in tax matters but against the Church. Criminal acts and lies are all ARS and CAN have ever used against the Church. "The brave person who leaked the document should get our thanks, even if that person may wind up in jail." ARS promotes breaking of the law. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS promotes supports criminal acts US Tax Laws From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:51:20 -0600 Yes, it is factual: ARS is glad the agreement was made public "even if done so illegally." Shows you that what the Church has been saying about ARS criminality is true. ARS the paid for hate site. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS supporting commission of crimes against the IRS From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 13:01:11 -0600 ARS loves criminal actions against the IRSm the US tax laws and the Church. They have been crowing about and applauding the criminal leak of the IRS document since the moment it was leaked. There are some great quotes supporting criminality and action against the IRS and Tax Code for the REAL ARS HOMEPAGE. Quotes like "even if done so illegally." or ...our thanks, even if that person may wind up in jail." I bet the investigation leads right to the doorstep of ARS, the paid for hate hate group. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS--Against the Laws of the Land From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:11:05 -0600 Well, ARS has come out against following the law. They want and encourage people to break the law. They do this because they have only criminal acts and have taken only criminal acts against the Church. Now they are condemning the IRS for following the tax codes. Man, ARS is home of criminals. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS wants to suppress IRS investigation into Leak From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:11:16 -0600 This tells you everything about anything ARS has said or done. They encourage criminal acts and suppress lawful acts. These following statements were posted to ARS: "...even if that person may wind up in jail." "I'm glad the IRS/OoS agreement was made public, even if done so illegally." Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS says break the law From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:11:16 -0600 This is the only means ARS or any criminal ever had to stop the Church. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS urges and supports criminal acts against the Church From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:21:05 -0600 The lies of ARS haven't worked against the truth, now ARS in desperation urges criminal acts. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton offered $360,000 -- Is investigation coming his Way From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:21:07 -0600 First there was an offer of $360,000 by Minton. Next there was the criminal leaking of the IRS document. Looks fishy to me. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Deprogrammers spoke at CAN Conventions From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:11:23 -0600 Deprogrammers spoke at CAN conventions. To name but a few: David Clark, Joe Szimhart, Jolly West, Ted Patrick was an honoured quest and speaker at Conventions. There were others but why beat it to death. ARS supports deprogrammers. CAN was a deprogrammer clearing house. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS uses Orwellian "Newspeak" From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:11:25 -0600 Blocksom, who Kisser could not sue because she knew he had her for millions if she tried, said that exit-counselling was just a play on words and thus was still deprogramming. So saying exit counselling is informed decision making is another ARS lie and the use of 1984 Newspeak. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS enslaves mankind with lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:11:31 -0600 Scientology frees man from lies. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: $360,000 and leaked documents From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:21:21 -0600 Somebody is going to have a hard time answering up on the crime that has been committed in leaking the settlement agreement. The law has been broken. ARS has applauded the action of breaking the law. I have been saying all along ARS is a criminal newsgroup. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton's offer of $360,000 has to be looked at From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:33:53 -0600 Of course, I'd look closely at Minton's offer of $360,000. Since he made the offer there has been lots of attention put on the settlement by ARS. Thus, I'd look closely at ARS posters who have pushed this. Plus taking the ARS statement of "I am glad the IRS/CoS agreement was made public, even if done so illegally" give the investigators a lead on who to start talking to. It is not known but it ought to be investigated how money is moving through various ARS posters who have received money. It could be being spread around It is not not known were the $1.25 million that Minton spread around came from. Were taxes paid on the money Minton gave Lerma, Ward, and others. Good leads, all. The IRS has lots to go on. Some ARS poster thought he saw light at the end of the tunnel -- silly ARS person -- that was a 20 tonne locomotive bearing down on ARS house of lies. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS claims IRS Investigation is obfuscatory From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:41:24 -0600 Calling the IRS investigaion obfuscatory is true obfuscation. So, is ARS trying to obstruct justice. (Not a question) Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Obstructing Justice -- that's ARS Plan From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:51:39 -0600 ARS just can't do things legally. If they did they would have nothing to go on. So, now ARS declares IRS is obfuscating in going after a criminal that broke the law by leaking an IRS confidential document. Not good form ARS. You could be said to be urging criminality towards the tax laws. But you have urged criminality. Someone might go to jail. You don't care. $360,000, used in we don't know what fashion ,and we don't know where it was to have come from; then the criminal leaking of the settlement -- to which ARS responds with gladness and thanks, "even if done so illegally." What a criminal group ARS is. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: look what Minton bought From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:52:00 -0600 Knock. Knock. M: Who is it. A: The IRS Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Knock. Knock. From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:52:05 -0600 Knock. Knock. ARS: Whose there? Knock. Knock: The IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: WARD: Whose there? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:01:32 -0600 Knock. Knock. WARD: Whose there? KNOCK. KNOCK: THE IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton Money and the IRS Investigation From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:01:45 -0600 ARS lauds Minton as their saviour. They loves his money. Obviously, ARS posters had to rely on hidden and mysterious money to continue their hate campaign. Apparently, they don't like constitutional freedoms such as freedom of religion and free speech (theirs is not free, it has been paid for). Apparently, to ARS way of the thinking the 1st Amendment was added exclusively for the protection of their hate speech, and attacks on freedom of religion. Apparently, no one should have rights that ARS posters don't have the right to destroy. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Vaughn: Whose there? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:11:27 -0600 Knock, Knock Vaughn: Whose there? KNOCK,KNOCK: THE IRS Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Lerma: Whose there? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:11:32 -0600 Knock, knock. Lerma: Whose there? Knock, knock: The IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Lerma: Whose there?? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:11:38 -0600 Knock,knock. Lerma: Whose there? KNOCK,KNOCK: The IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Sandar: Whose there?? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:11:45 -0600 Knock, knock. Dandar: Whose there?? KNOCK,KNOCK: The IRS Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The IRS Investigation is serious business From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:21:32 -0600 ARS has serious things to consider. It has clearly put it self on the side of breaking the law. It has all along pushed lies, and distortion, hiding behind the constitution to destroy constitutional rights. Now it is calling for using stolen goods to its own advantage. ARS is the criminal cult for real. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS, the for real criminal cult. ARS, the cult of lies and liars From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:32:23 -0600 With ARS lauding and praising the criminal action of leaking an IRS document, ARS is shown to be the for real criminal cult of liars and lies, and advocates of criminality. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Pat and Ann Broeker reference in the IRS/Scientology agreement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:11:29 -0600 Lerma wrote: "...to me" Lerma and Minton's money and "private financial gain" Hmmmmmmm? $360,000 and crime against the tax laws. Hmmmmmmm? Knock, Knock. Lerma: Whose there? KNOCK,KNOCK: The IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Justin makes a big boo-boo From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:21:54 -0600 Jason Scott won his case against CAN. CAN's criminal activity finally brought it down. Trial was in 1996. Kisser sued the Church for libel. Trial was held in Chicago in 1997 She sued over statements to the effect she was involved with criminal deprogrammers (some convicted). She said it wasn't true, the jury found the overwhelming evidence presented by the Church refuting Kisser to be the truth. They found for the Church. They kicked Kisser out of the court in just over an hour. The jury rejected the very same data 60 minutes of lies presented by Kisser at the trial. The jury found for the Church 100%. CAN was a criminal organization that consorted with criminals. Two different cases. CAN lost both. And justice was finally served. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: IRS and Grahan Berry From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:41:49 -0600 I've heard that Graham Berry has failed to pay his personal federal income taxes for 1992, 1993, and 1994. Records not available for 1995 and 1996. Such failure to pay income tax resulted in $101,264.34 in federal tax liens being levied. The liens are still active. For 1992 he owes $20,875.02 for 1993 he owes $35,951.73 for 1994 he owes $44,437.59 He might have paid something but they are still outstanding. Should have paid his taxes in the first place. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS obfuscation begins From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:51:59 -0600 ARS attack on the IRS's investigation is exactly what you can expect from ARS. Minton money is behind this group and is known to have gone to the tune of #1.25 million into their hands. That is a lot of cash. So, one has to start stating the leads that need to be investigated by the IRS. Minton offers $360,000 for information about settlement. Wollersheim gets big momey from Minton, hundreds of thousands I hear. Lerma, who put the settlement up on his site so fast that it makes you wonder if he didn't have it before hand. He has gotten thousands upon thousands from Minton. Ward: he has received thousands. He attacks anyone who attacks Minton. Ward: tried to destroy the church's copyrights. You have got to consider "private financial gain" here. As said before, he received thousands of dollars from Minton. Same for Lerma: Thousands from Minton and is a copyright infringer. "Private financial gain." Tax evasion. As I said, the for real criminal cult is ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Its the New Year and Scientology Continues to Grow From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:01:45 -0600 Its the New Year. Scientology comes into 1998 bigger and more ready to help people than ever before. ARS is old and tired and taking Minton's money. ARS supports crimes against the Tax Laws. I imagine a typical ARS New Years resolution is that the only way we can win is to tell a bigger lie. But, Knock, Knock. ARS: Whose there??? KNOCK,KNOCK: The IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: ARS -- Quote of the Year From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:22:12 -0600 Mikesmith3@aol.com wrote: Jon Noring-cheerleader for felonies committed in alignment with ARSCC agenda. "Anyway, I'm glad the IRS/OoS agreement was made public, even if done so illegally. The brave person who leaked the documents should get our thanks, if that person may wind up in jail." "Jon Noring Message-ID: I can only say that the IRS investigation is thoroughly necessary to protec the constitutional freedoms. Freedoms ARS seems bound and determine to destroy. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS is haven for criminals against the US Constitution From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:21:33 -0600 Tax evaders (call themselves tax protesters in Orwellian Newspeak) have obviously infiltrated, perhaps taken over ARS, but have certainly with their lies manipulated people. Using lies to control people. The IRS investigation will lead directly to the doorstep of Minton, those he paid, any he might have paid that are still secret, and to ARS itself. ARS is attempting to obstruct the investigation by calling the lawful IRS investigation into question. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: part II of Co$/IRS agreement: analysis From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:51:37 -0600 The IRS did the American people proud. It helped preserve the constitutionally guaranteed right of Freedom of Religion. One of the major freedoms which built America and made it the greatest country the world has ever known. ARS on the other hand detests freedom of religion. Supports deprogrammers and their rape of both mind and body. Now, the IRS is on the way to their doorstep for condoning and advocating as the tax protester do criminal acts against the laws of the land. The agreement was legal and straight forward. The IRS clearly did its job. ARS on the other hand praises the criminal act that leaked the settlement. What other crimes they are actively engaged in should be found out. $360,000 was offered regarding for information regarding that settlement. This was done by Robert Minton the man who has paid out $1.25 million dollars -- most of which went directly to ARS posters and copyright crooks. This indicates something seriously wrong to me. ARS is looking more like a paid criminal conspiracy all the time. Truth will obviously come out on this and I imagine the IRS investigation will go a long way to making the truth known about ARS. Happy New Year to lovers of truth. And to ARS, may your year find you telling less lies and ceasing to manipulate others with lies. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS: Looking more like a criminal conspiracy all the time From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:01:46 -0600 I have elaborated on ARS support of criminal action in the leaking of the IRS document protected by the privacy laws of the United States and the Tax Laws. The IRS is investigating this. But bald faced statements have been made by ARS posters fully supporting the criminal action. Someone leaked that. And ARS posters have made bald faced approval of that criminal action. This ARS cannot deny. They also cannot deny that it was a criminal act against the Church as well as the laws of the land. ARS has been lying about the church for years. Now, when their agreement with the crime was pointed out by me, I am unfair. ARS lies are fair? -- of course, they are not. Copyright infringement by ARS posters Lerma and Erlich is Fair? Hell no it is not fair. So, what is fair? Exposing the ARS posters as liars, supporters of criminal acts and criminal acts is fair. Not to mention that ARS also supports the mental and physical rape used by deprogrammers and CAN. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Deprogrammers -- A violent people From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:21:25 -0600 DeSanctis were deprogrammers. They got comvicted for kidnapping. They are convicted criminals. And so it goes on ARS proves it support of criminal activites. And that is the point ARS cannot answer. They mitigate criminal acts in their own criminal minds. Of course, this is what criminals do. Someone broke the law leaking IRS documents. ARS criminal minds, the ARS criminal cult, also supports this just like they do for convicted kidnappers. ARS posters manipulate and control others with lies. ARS posters are also against any law enforcement action of the IRS to find out who leaked legal IRS document. If its legal, ARS is against it. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: If its legal, ARS is against it -- ARS the Criminal cult From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:21:54 -0600 Illegal actions against the church, copyright infringement being a crime in itself but a real whopper of a crime if "private financial gain" was made from the infringement. And with all the money floating around ARS posters, whoa, we could have a serious criminal act just waiting to be found out. Knock, Knock> Ward, Lerma, Erlich: ( a collective) Whose there? KNOCK< KNOCK: The FBI. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: More Obfuscation From ARS posters From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:41:17 -0600 Hmmmm, it is interesting that ARS posters are now trying to obfuscate -- and obstruct -- the issue by focusing on lies rather than the illegality of leaking the document. If ARS is as "white as the driven snow" they have nothing to worry about. But money and tax evaders cover ARS like a dark blanket of lies. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been paid to ARS posters. Maybe we ought to check into it even more closely. I'm sure the IRS will be investigating this. I fervently believe the public has a right to know what ARS posters are doing in the way of criminal acts. They cry freedom all the time while attempting to detroy constitutional rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. They particularly don't like the me exposing ARS for lying -- and they certainly don't like it when you talk about all the Money that fuels ARS. One ARS poster even goes so far as to feel sorry for the criminal who leaked the document. But this poster still applauds the criminal for having done the crime. Man, is that sick hypocrisy or what. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS poster's Sick Hypocrisy From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:41:34 -0600 One ARS poster goes so far as to feel sorry for the criminal who leaked the IRS document. But then goes on to applaud the criminal for having committed the crime for which they could go to jail. Man, is this sick hyocrisy or what. However, it is serves as normal human realtions for ARS posters. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Sick Hypocrisy -- ARS likes others to do the Crime and the Time From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:51:28 -0600 ARS poster wrote: "If I were on a jury trying the leaker, and the facts showed he/she did it beyond reasonable doubt, I'd probably elect to convict in this case..." In the same post they say they feel sorry for the leaker having to pay the heavy price for the criminal act. Sick Hypocrisy of ARS posters. It is okay for others to commit the crime and do the time -- for which ARS gains. Man, ARS really is a criminal cult. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS criminal cult -- Sick Hypocrisy From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:01:23 -0600 It is okay for someone else to commit criminal acts from which ARS gains. That in fact is what is being posted hypocritically by ARS posters. It is okay for the crime to be committed and ARS benefit. It is okay for that person to go to jail for the crime -- ARS would even help convict him. That is the level of criminal mind hypocrisy being promulgated by ARS. ARS is the criminal cult. They encourage others to do the time, get their butts thrown in jail -- as long as ARS benefits. Now, what about Minton's $360,000 and 1.25 million. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Illegal Acts Against the Church From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:21:19 -0600 Illegal actions against the Church: 1. Copyright infringement. 2. Leaking the IRS settlement agreement. 3. Stealing its confidential scriptures. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Sick hypocrisy revisited From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:21:34 -0600 Someone may go to jail for leaking the IRS settlement agreement. But does ARS care? No they do not care. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: *JUSTIN - THE BETRAYER?* From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:01:25 -0600 In article <199801020030.BAA13122@basement.replay.com>, cross@the_potomac.com (Martha) wrote: > > > > > This is typical of ARS hypocrisy. WHY? The poster of this message is probably a tax evader. Now his hypocrisy is evident, isn't it. He talks freedom of religion and the right of trial by jury. But he is likely a tax evader, a "true patriot" that says the laws don't apply tohim because he has "sovereignty." Thus he can spit in the eye of laws. ARS is haven for tax evaders. Witness the present attack on the IRS over their investigation into the criminal who leaked the IRS settlement agreement. A perfectly legal and stiff agreement that upholds the tax laws of the land and also freedom of religion. The IRS upholds freedom of religion and what does ARS do -- why attack the IRS oc course, egged on by all the tax evaders on ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: What's wrong with "deprogramming?" From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:11:21 -0600 In article <19980102002300.TAA14016@ladder01.news.aol.com>, scully3428@aol.com (Scully3428) wrote: > > > Lori Ann's Own Little Play Place -- http://members.aol.com/scully3257/index.htm > M Everything is wrong deprogramming. How about violation of Human rights. How about violation of constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. How about physical and mental rape. How about common decency. How about the truth over lies. How about the kidnapping and wrongful imprisonment. How about gas chambers. The list could go on and on. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Getting to ARS --they hate the truth. From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:11:40 -0600 ARS posters can say anything, but I defend my religion and they try to get me bumped off. One poster in particular has not reacted well to me pointing out exactly how bad ARS is especially about applauding others who commit crimes against the laws of the land. I point out unflinchingly the criminal cult mind of ARS and ARS wants to suppress me of the group. Which proves ARS cannot brook the truth. It cannot brook anyone who has been helped by LRH and his technology. It proves they don't want me to defend my constitutionally guaranteed rights. They want to destroy my constitutional right to free speech. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: *JUSTIN - CRIMES SHOULD BE HIDDEN?* From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:32:24 -0600 In article <199801020033.BAA13749@basement.replay.com>, cross@the_potomac.com (Martha) wrote: > > > I find it immensely interesting and revealing that the minute I expose tax evader presence on ARS, I get hit. Damn, but I find that revealing. Tax evaders have infiltrated ARS. You can tell this from the hype about a perfectly legal settlement and the constitutional granting of tax- exemption to a bona fide Church. Freedom of religion in this country is a guaranteed freedom. ARS is steadfastly against religious freedom. And Now ARS is attacking the IRS for doing its job and for investigating to find the criminal who violated the tax laws. While ARS applauds the criminal. The key here is ARS is against the IRS investigating and the presence of tax evaders on ARS. You can see the criminal ARS mind at work. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The IRS is coming to ARS From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:41:13 -0600 It should not be long before the IRS investigator start asking questions of ARS posters. Particularly those who applauded the crime of leaking the settlement. As everyone knows by now, the settlement contained none of the things ARS said it would contain. So, that puts to rest a lot of lies by ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: The best way to defeat scientology... From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:01:36 -0600 In article <34AC550A.822D1869@gate.net>, Harry Krause wrote: > > "snip" Poor old ARS posters just don't want anything to do with truth. They don't realize that what persist for them is their lies. The more they tell lies, the more they have those lies. For the truth they are avoiding is the truth about themselves. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton Money and the IRS Invest revisited From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:21:18 -0600 ARS lauds Minton as their saviour. They loves his money. The IRS will surely visit Minton -- who is already ducking hard questions he knows will come at him in the deposition. It doesn't matter what unrealities Mintons post because reality in the form of an investigation is about to give new meaning to his phrase -- "the only thing my money has shown..." Yes, your money is a lead in the investigation. Don't doubt it for a moment. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Vaughn Young -- Still lying From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:41:17 -0600 If their are any even slightly honest ARS posters, even one, just one should ask him for his documentation regarding his post of 31 Dec 1997 where he lies profusely to deomorto@aol.com. Where is the documentation. ARS posters always claim anything they say is absolutely documented. Get his documentation. Get his documentation. Remember this is a guy who received a lot of money from Minton, lives in a house Minton bought. He will say anything. He even contradicted himself when he said Aznaran was appointed Inspector General. ARS posters know where that post sits. So, Vaughn is just controlling and manipulating you with lies. And besides Aznaran didn't prove worthy but Vaughn distorts even that. That money he is getting. ARS posters got to watch now for the money talking. Remember Vaughn gets paid. Make a fool out of you if you believe him. Justin Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS hates religion From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:51:32 -0600 What is the main thing ARS objects to regarding tax-exemption of the Church -- that easily answered. That the IRS recognized the Church as a religion. They are against religion. And the whole of the IRS, who has granted tax-exemption to many religions, is wrong. It was the hope and dream of those who wanted to enslave man, and have man become further degraded that the Church would never be recognized as a Church. Well, the IRS in doing its job killed that evil goal. Because the Church is a Church and the IRS recognized that. And because of that ARS screams and tears its hair. People are being helped. Life is improving for millions. And ARS screams and tears its hair because its lies and criminal acts against the church do not work. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Why ARS Posters attack me From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:01:22 -0600 I am attacked because I stand up for my religion. They would have me cower before their lies. I don't. And I won't. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS got nothing -- but someone could go to jail From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:02:00 -0600 For some time ARS lied about the contents of the settlement saying it contained all manner of things. The lies about it were endless. Now that there is nothing to be found, ARS has to intimate all manner of things bad about it. What ARS posters are trying to do here is keep their dead lies and trashed hopes alive. ARS just lies on and on. But the real illegal element in all this is is that ARS promotes and supports criminal acts against US Tax laws. The hypocrisy of ARS is that they applaud the criminality. But would put the person in jail. But would also use any benefits of the criminality. Sick hypocrisy of ARS posters. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: CoS/IRS agreement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:41:23 -0600 Now this is a very typical post for ARS posters. The settlement is nothing but proper and after many lies about what would be found ARS is left with making unsupported accusations about it. Notice the key words the criminal mind employees in forwarding the generalized accusations. ARS said it would be the end a long time ago. Poor liars. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: "Private Financial Gain" From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:41:34 -0600 Ward received a lot of money from Minton. Ward also was sued fro copyright infringement. $360,000 offered for information. This was done by Minton. The document was leaked. Each of these is a lead for federal investigation. IRS is definitely investigating. A Ward investigation, a possibility, given all the money flying around. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton's dead cat From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:51:20 -0600 Its amazing that Minton used an old completely worn out trick like the dead cat caper to try and spread a lie. Ward said he had the cat to prove it. Prove what? that he got himself a dead cat from somewhere. Road Kill or maybe money. But only ARS would push it as fact. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Documents were leaked From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:01:23 -0600 Remember Lerma got lots of money and don't forget that he lost on copyright infringement. This not a man with clean hands. Plus, there is Willis Carto -- regarded as a Nazi. Now Lerma is accusing the IRS. And he plays with words. Look at the Subject: Damned Straight we praise the ORDERED release of that agreement. When he knows full well the settlement was leaked. Poor Lerma really trying to twist too many things in that post. Rants at the IRS. Rants about 60 Minutes of lies being about deprogrammers. Claims all kinds of tricks while he manipulates the data to hell and gone. But don't forget he is covert Willis Carto man. He didn't want us to know that. Why didn't he want us to know he was a Willis Carto man. Hm. Hm Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Lerma hid connection to Willis Carto From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:01:39 -0600 Lerma wanted his connection to a man jews regard a NAZI to be kept secret. Carto says 6 million jews did not die in camps and ovens and gas chambers. Lerma wanted to keep his connection to Carto secret. Didn't want data to get out. Think twice before you believe anything Lerma has to say. He also said 60 Minutes of lies not about PR for deprogrammers. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS Newspeak on criminal act From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:11:18 -0600 ARS is calling the leaking of the settlement, a criminal act -- release. This is how ARS manipulates and controls people with lies. A criminal act becomes the release of documents in the months of ARS posters. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS caught in another lie From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:32:39 -0600 ARS was the first to condemn IRSs pursuit of criminals who leaked the settlement. An ARS poster went after me on this. The poster lied through his teeth when he said, "The IRS has refused for 2 years to comply with a court order to release that document showing the secret deal between Scientology and the IRS." The fact is no court ordered any release. It said it would look at it and see if releasing it did not violate the privacy laws. Then the ARS poster went on to praise the criminal for "releasing" the document. The word release being used by ARS posters is Orwellian. The truth is it was leaked, which is a criminal act under the law. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: *JUSTIN - DO YOU SPIT ON GRAVES?* From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:21:39 -0600 I seem to have gotten to close to ARS secret -- its a haven for tax protesters. I think I hit it on the head. This one is all over me since I exposed the connection. Who is it MacDonald or Mitchell? Let me guess. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Tax protesters are definitely part of ARS conspiracy From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:32:02 -0600 If anyone doubts this, check out the post that have be leveled at me by Martha. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Another ARS lie revealed re: settlement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:32:06 -0600 One ARS poster said the IRS was ordered to release the settlement two years ago. This is not true. No such order exists. Even Lerma knows this. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ML stands for Minton Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:32:09 -0600 And ARSL stands for ARS Lies. I hope this is clear to everyone. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Suspicious from the beginning From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:21:18 -0600 Now we have the IRS investigating the leak. ARS poster have already provided leads just by what they have said. And of course, there is all that money that is floating around the ARS posters these days. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Vaughn Young -- Not his own man From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:01:05 -0600 From the defense Minton is receiving from those who have received some of his millions, it seems that the dead cat was indeed the work of Minton's minions. They have been yammering now about how he didn't do it. So, if his paid flaks went to work to try to pin that deed on others then Minton sure picked a loser of an operation to try to stick on others. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Scientology expands despite Minton's money From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:01:06 -0600 Minton's paid minions are surely up in arms now about the fact of Minton's money. It seems they wouldn't exist without that support. Minton himself sure has his pawns falling over themselves for his greenbacks. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Predictable reaction from Minton paid minions From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 19:51:10 -0600 I have pointed out the lie in Minton's dead cat story. It is a trick used often to make others look bad. Minton used it. I called it a lie and I am now getting attacked heavily for it. ARS went quite hysterical over my pointing out how Minton or his minions arranged for the cat to be on his doorstep. The attacks have been led by those who have received Minton's money. So, I predict that I will get shot at a lot because I point out the lies the Minton paid minions use. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Criminal Acts by Minton Paid minions From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:01:04 -0600 The copyright thieves of ARS -- copyright thieves is just a metaphor for the criminals of ARS. However, it is predictable that another ARS poster, probably one that has received Minton money will be sooner or later be sought for criminal behaviour. Mark my words -- it is predictable. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The ARS Dead Cat Message From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:11:04 -0600 Obviously the dead cat ploy of Minton's back fired on him and ARS and the message intended failed. The message that really comes across is from ARS and Minton paid minions is that they will do anything achieve their criminal ends -- to kill cats and put on their own doorsteps is just is one. Including stealing copyrights -- just a needling metaphor for ARS criminality. The message is ARS will do anything for Minton's money. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Vaughn Young -- Living on paid for hate money From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:32:04 -0600 Vaughn Young is living in a house paid for by Minton. The house cost more than $200,000. He also got a lot more in cash. Now I hear that Minton is being hounded for his money by other ARS posters who think they deserve a share. It is a regular feeding frenzy. Now they are not going to get as much as Erlich or Vaughn or Lerma or Ward. Maybe a few thousand. So, I was right when I said that ARS is a paid for hate group. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS feeding frenzy over Minton money From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:41:06 -0600 Minton has invested over a million dollars in the hate campaign against the Church. His moeny has stirred up the lies and hate of ARS to even greater heights. It is known that several key posters and copyright criminals have received money from him. This is also true for some ARS posters. Now there is a feeding frenzy going on amongst smaller players of ARS to get some of that money. They are looking for the thousands that the "big" players have gotten. Some are wondering why they have been excluded from feeding at the money pie the ARS insiders have already eaten of. This is no joke. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The Hate Crimes of ARS posters From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:01:03 -0600 Hate crimes are serious business. Now that ARS posters have received money, the level of the criminal offence has increased in seriousness. Minton's money has indeed found its way to ARS posters and copyright criminals. And there is a frenzy for Minton's money building amongst ARS posters. by those who feel they have been left out. Thus being paid to post hate is worthy of federal investigation. It ranks as terrorism. Posting hate on ARS is now at the level of paid crime -- something on the order of paying to have someone murdered. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton afraid of discovery From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:32:07 -0600 Minton continues to resist going into deposition. Rather odd considering the way he has characterized his position. But factually he has paid out all kinds of money to copyright criminals and hate posters -- AND now wants to avoid being found out in discovery. He is obviously trying to keep his real intent secret. And keep secret any other sources of the money. And keep secret any one else he has paid. Minton has all the earmarks of an operation. And don't forget the dead cat conveniently found on his doorstep. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Deposition and Minton's true motivation From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:01:05 -0600 As of the 24th December 1997, Minton was continuing to refuse to be deposed. This is extremely revealing. Minton has been playing an active role -- investing over $1.25 million in ARS posters and copyright criminals. There is probably more money he has kept secret. Then there is another salient point: is it all Minton money or is there another secret slush fund for operations as well. Clearly, ARS is a paid for hate group and a criminal operation. You would think Minton -- in light of all the PR he has mouthed concerning his intent and all the PR Ward and other Minton paid minions have paraded regarding Minton's intent -- that he would gladly step into a deposition in order to put more PR on the record. Not so. He is ducking, dodging, may even end up hiding in order to avoid the nature of his true intent from getting to the public, especially the Internet. ARS is a criminal front. Minton is the paymaster. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton Money -- running the show From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:51:08 -0600 Minton originally posted an offer to ARS of $360,000. Obviously, a lot of people took him up on it and now we see the the operation he has running around that offer. It is no surprise then that we see the thing he was willing to pay $360,000 for raising its lying head. Minton money and operation obviously run ARS. It is a paid operation and thus a criminal scam. Who controls ARS -- Minton. Who controls Minton -- well that is just something that might be found out in the deposition Minton is so afraid of going into. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Who Controls this paid for hate group From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:01:08 -0600 I bet I know. Minton that's who. He comes out awhile back offering $360,000 for certain information. We find out after awhile that $1.25 million has been invested by him. Now we have a certain operation going into the works on ARS. It is quite obvious who paid for this operation on ARS because he offered the money and in fact is the paymaster. All this further backs up my data that there exists a feeding frenzy going on on ARS to get a piece of the Minton pie. Furthermore, Minton has been ordered into discovery and is refusing to go. He convicts himself in trying to keep his true intent and paymaster status from the public and especially Internet. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton Finally Surfaced From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:11:05 -0600 Minton finally surfaced but just how long he has actually been controlling ARS is for anyone to quess. Only the people he has been paying would know for sure. It is interesting also the tactics he has used thus far. Dead cats and money. It reeks of a covert operation. And interestingly enough all ARS posters pretend to decry that type of operation. Well, with the kind of money being dished out anything is now possible on ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ZED and the sheriff gang up on the librarian From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:33:10 -0600 Now this is a thoroughly strange post. Smells like it has Minton money behind it though. Probably does. The reason I say that is that the writer is trying very hard to appear a certain way yet works too hard at it. This includes the pretense of explaining what things mean while over- reaching on the conspiratorial tone. In fact, trying way to hard. I know ARS posters are desperate for anything because of continuing failure but falling for this would be too much. Dead cats, anyone. Minton money will not stop at buying anything. Meanwhile, in the real world, the Church continues to expand. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS no longer Free but is bought and paid for From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:01:05 -0600 Money is now the motive on ARS. Perhaps has been for a long while but only recently the cat got out of the back. Ask Ward, he knows because he is protecting the money. But no matter what ARS does or says nothing much happens in the real world. For instance, remember all the brag from a few years ago about how it would all be over by now; how millions would flood onto ARS to back them up. Didn't happen. But someones got a con they are pushing and have been pushing. ARS is paid for hate. Lot of foolish people originally funded certain lagal defence . They got nothing for it but less money in their pockets. Actually a million did arrive. A million bucks to pay for a dirty campaign without any moral high ground. ARS is nothing more than for hire hate. A bunch a thugs in a feeding frenzy to get the bucks. Who can believe anything ARS posters say. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Whoever is behind ARS is well hidden From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:11:03 -0600 The ARS paymaster has been revealed. But paymaster often are. Whoever is behind him is well hidden. Minton is certainly afraid of getting deposed though. Must have thought his Millions would protect him. Quite a bit should come out of the deposition though. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Scientology is still expanding From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:11:08 -0600 This is just a reminder to those ARS posters who have been around awhile. Remember your predictions of doom and gloom. Well, now you are grubbing after dirty money. And the Church is now in even more places on the globe and helping even more people. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Zed and the sheriff gang up on the librarian From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:41:08 -0600 Something very phoney about this poster. Randall Mc Donald is tax-protester. In an effort to make their actions appear legitimate, "tax-protesters" belong to a class of people who often call themselves "sovereign citizens," or sometimes "patriots" or "true patriots." You may have read about such people in the newspapers. They claim that they have removed themselves from the jurisdiction of federal and state laws simply by declaring themselves exempt. They are not dealing with reality or the honest way to go about reforming the tax system. Minton money could be behind this. It has to be proven but it is worth the time to look. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Tax Protesters on ARS From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:41:10 -0600 ARS is sure attracting the criminal types. Tax protesters no less. Tax protesters are out and out criminals. Enough of them have gone to jail. They divorce themselves from legal means of reforming the tax system and engage in fantasy constructions of being sovereign citizens in order to justify ripping of the other tax payers. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Scientologys aims From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:51:04 -0600 So, the above response tells you why ARS posters fight us. They want the criminal to have rights and the honest to have none. After all ARS is just a bunch of Minton paid criminal minions. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Tax evader and Minton Money From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:11:04 -0600 ARS posters are now allowing tax evaders to go after Minton's money. Remember that the original Minton post offered $360,000 for information. Tax evaders have the most outrageous justification for their criminal actions. They can commit crimes because the law doesn't really apply to them. Does that echo some of sentiments of ARS posters -- it sure does. Getting paid to hate -- hired to hate. I believe as time goes on this group more and more attracts the attention of federal investigators. With tax evaders going after Minton's money, the investigations may be closer than anyone thinks. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Zed and the Sheriff gang up on the librarian From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:11:07 -0600 Minton originally offered $360,000 to fund an operation. The poster may well be being run by that operation. Tax evaders have no scruples where money is concerned. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Firsts of Dianetics and Scientology From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:21:07 -0600 This is a group about Scientology and it is right that true data about Scientology be included. To begin with, Dianetics and Scientology offer the first axiomatic construction of the basic laws of thought and behavior in man. These axioms predict and explain all questions relating to human behavior and so constitute an achievement that many had previously attempted to no avail. With Dianetics and Scientology came the first description and classification of all parts of the human mind thus correcting decades old fallacies found in Freudian theory and the works of Pavlov... -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS infiltrated by tax protesters in disquise From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 19:32:48 -0600 ARS posters has always used whatever lies they can get their hands on but now they are taking lies from tax protesters. Tax protesters or rather tax evaders are a particular brand of criminal. What they have in commom with ARS posters is that they believe their own lies. They are delusional. I mean they will take data, rather straight forward data and weave it into the nutiest wholecloth. Perhaps you have seen some of these wholecloth postings. False hope. Delusional. And will give ARS another dead end prediction. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Scientology Benefits From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 19:41:09 -0600 In defence of My Religion Many, many people, millions in fact, have partaken of the services of Dianetics and Scientology over the last four decades. Their experiences point to the indisputable fact that Scientology, when properly applied to a person who is honestly seeking to improve and who is willing to communicate, produces results which match or exceed anyone's expectations. A wide, wide range of benefits have been reported by Scientologists from their participation in Scientology. The conditions that can be improved by whole hearted application of the technology have been thoroughly documented since the 1940s. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Tax Protesters Using ARS From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 19:51:24 -0600 Tax protesters, actually Tax evaders. They seek to become exempt from laws on the one hand, while using them on the other if it suits them. The truth is that despite their claims to be "true patriots," these Tax protesters are nothing more than hypocrites and tax evaders. However, they are on ARS seeding nonsense that will have ARS posters chasing their tails. That should be a sight to see. Justin "Just bustin Minton's paid criminal minions." -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Scientology Expansion From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:11:08 -0600 But however great the numbers become -- the new preclears and auditors sitting down for their first session, the thousands of new readers picking up their first copies of Dianetics -- the story of Scientology expansion is still simple one: Having discovered that L. Ron Hubbard's technology works, people make it known to others. That can't be beat. Scream on ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Future Prediction of Scientology From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:11:15 -0600 Today, Scientology is the fastest growing religion on the planet -- so long as Mr. Hubbard's technologies are available to all who wish to reach for them, and so long as they are applied standardly, Scientology expands. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: RE: Zed and the Sheriff gang uo on the Librarian From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:11:20 -0600 ZED said: No wonder I got you boys confused in the dark cloak closet! This is probably a tax protester, rather tax evader, spinning some of their unreality. But nevertheless reaching for some of the Minton money. ARS got competition. Anyway, this post is weird: a guy pretending to be a woman talking libidinously to two guys. Strange stuff. ARS has enough trouble spinning their own unreality let alone taking data from tax evaders trying to use ARS for their own purposes. This could mean trouble for ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS or Tax Protester (tax evader) operation From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:41:03 -0600 Man ARS is stinking up the place more than ever before. And the stink is a pack of criminals -- tax evaders. Minton money is the draw: hate for hire and paid for hate. Now its becoming a haven for Tax evaders. Dangerous stuff, "True patriots" come to ARS. They will surely take over the place. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: IPrediction: Tax Evaders "True Patriots" take over ARS From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:51:05 -0600 Tax Protesters (tax evaders) will take over ARS. Minton money is the draw. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS infilitrated by Tax Evaders -- will take over From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:51:06 -0600 This is happening. ARS doesn't even seem to have the observational ability to see that ARS is being used by "True patriots." And the thing about this is that the tax evaders are just screwing with the poor ARS boobs . I reference a post to show how mockingly ARS is regarded by the tax evaders. That subject is ZED and the Sheriff gang up on the Librarian. That poster was even messing with newman's head, and he didn't seem to have a clue. These people are devious and manipulative. Play at your own risk, ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS delusion being fostered by Tax Evaders From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:11:04 -0600 There are some really delusional posts showing up on ARS now. These are being posted mainly by Tax evaders. ARS posters are more pragmatic and not over given to fantasy -- lies yes -- but not fantasy. One tax protester is regurgitating rubbish about the IRS that most pragmatic ARS posters rejected long ago. The Church is too powerful and the reputation of the Church growing daily but delusional tax evaders are saying this is not the case. ARS posters know differently and act accordingly. They know reality. Otherwise they cannot succeed. Tax evaders think they live in another country -- that is unreal. ARS posters know exactly where they live and what reality they have to deal with -- a powerful church they cannot take out -- but hope to. But ARS poster do not believe they live on the moon, like tax protesters, rather tax evaders do. ARS posters probably pay their taxes and think that they ought to. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: WARD -- financial gain from copyright infringement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:11:11 -0600 This concerns Ward receiving Minton money. This could really be Ward's downfall. Was it financial gain -- probably -- and therein is the danger to Ward. Don't think it will be forgotten about. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Prediction -- sooner or later ARS posters will be federally investigated From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:11:13 -0600 This is just a prediction. ARS posters are not very good at predictions -- not one has come true yet. But I predict that some jail sentences await some in the future. Minton money could have everything to do with that. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Firsts of Dianetics and Scientology From: justin@directnet.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 19:41:11 -0600 grady@promisecreepers.org wrote: Justin? Ward does not care about anybody but himself and has proven this. He screwed his creditors for thousands upon thousands of dollars. Claims he paid his aged mother back money he had borrowed in 1992 but took so long to pay it that one wonders why he waited so long to pay off an old woman. I don't think Ward has any room to talk. He gets Minton money paid to him while he steals others blind through a bankruptcy. He is being paid to hate. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Copyright criminal -- Grady Ward From: justin@directnet.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:01:16 -0600 Ward may have received financial gain from his copyright terrorism. This is completely possible and I am sure the facts will come out on this. Ward received thousands from Minton -- fact -- and is now bashing me because I am making it broadly known. He is clearly trying to stop me from doing this. Ward is posting his hate to a group that is so patently paid to hate that it may not be too much longer before the government decides to investigate the extent of this paid to hate operation. Ward falsely accuses, while I have the facts on my side. He received thousands from Minton. Money is behind ARS -- paid to hate money, supporting an operation. Money will be its Waterloo. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: As usual -- ARS gets it wrong From: justin@directnet.com Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:51:29 -0600 Your responses do not fall on deaf ears. Those amongst you who fear communication the greatest counsel no communication as they would turn you into mindless ARS posters. Communication is the solvent. The fearful and terrified amongst you fear communication most of all. The most mindless of course are those that have received Minton money. They are protecting the money, not truth or intelligence or honesty -- just the money. Minton's money is paying for a lot of things. For hate and for fear. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS and 60 Minutes supports deprogramming From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:21:34 -0600 Deprogramming -- how can anyone support deprogramming -- well ARS does and apparently so does 60 Minutes. Deprogramming is the criminal activity of kidnapping, imprisonment, physical abuse, sexual abuse, and psychological abuse employed by highly paid thugs to break the religious faith of people. Mostly Christians have been the target of deprogrammers. And ARS and 60 Minutes obviously supports in full the criminal activity of forcible breaking of a persons faith. Disgraceful in America. But ARS today is lauding a programme that promoted deprogramming and went out of its way to suppress any data about what deprogamming is. The Church of Scientology helped rid the country of a deprogramming reign of terror that lasted until the demise of Cynthia Kisser's CAN. Incidently, with the demise of CAN, deprogramming was flushed into the sewer. Remarkable coincidence, I'd say. However, ARS and 60 Miuntes have decided the criminal activity of deprogramming should be unleashed again to terrorize the constitutional right of Freedom of religion. "I was the victim of a forcible kidnapping in Utica, Michigan." And "The purpose of my kidnapping and false imprisonment was to break my faith in my religious beliefs and thereby 'deprogram me.'" And "My hands and feet were then tied and I was carried into into a small room and placed on a cot." And "After the first three days of my kidnapping and false imprisonment, the circulation in my hands and feet was cut off because my hands had been tightly tied behind my back for the entire time." Sworn by Arthur Roselle 8 Nov 1991. This is what ARS is supporting. ARS wants to unleash this criminality again on America. This is what 60 Minutes did not tell America about deprogrammers. Deprogrammers drummed up business at CAN conventions. The Church fights for religious freedom, and freedom from paid kidnapping, and all the terrorist activity of deprogramming. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: 60 Miuntes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:41:07 -0600 In October of 1994, Marty Butz, one of the employees in Cynthia Kisser's national office of CAN admitted under oath that since he went to work there in 1989 he had made some 500 referrals to deprogrammers such as Rick Ross and Steven Hassan. He stated that Kisser, too, had referred potential kidnap-deprogramming business to the same individuals. Butz' admissions torpedoed efforts made over the years by Cynthia Kisser's CAN to distance itself from deprogrammers. Butz' knew very well the truth about CAN, he worked side by side with Kisser for years. This is in stark contrast to 60 Minutes letting Kisser use 60 Minutes as a forum to lie about deprogramming referrals -- referrals admitted to by a close associate under oath and the auspices of a court of law. ARS supports the lies of Kisser's CAN. ARS supports the unleashing of deprogrammers to again terrorize religious freedom in America. Deprogrammers get paid $25,000 and up to kidnap, and imprison people, while they physically an mentally abuse them. Deprogrammers create hate and destroy a persons beliefs. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: CAN Comventions and Deprogrammers From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:33:06 -0600 Marty Butz says Cynthia Kisser's CAN made referrals to deprogrammers. Some 500 hundred referrals he alone made. He said that under oath. Cynthia Kisser said deprogrammers attended CAN Conventions. Mark Blocksom's affidavit attests to that statement, he swore: Many of us in the deprogramming field would frequently attend CFF/CAN conferences and conventions, both regional and national. At these conventions, we would speak to parents and other attendees, for the purpose of soliciting deprogramming business, or at least making availability known in anti-cult circles. Many of us involved in deprogramming were actually quest speakers, or served on discussions panels where deprogramming was discussed. I was a speaker on "exit counseling" at the 1985 CAN convention. This is a play on words, as it was well known that most all of my deprogrammings were involuntary." Cynthia corroborates Blocksom on the attendance of deprogrammers at CAN conventions. The Blocksom affidavit is true despite 60 Minutes attempt to paint it as otherwise. Above is just one point that Kisser substantiates Blocksom on. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: More CAN Lies and 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:11:12 -0600 More that Cynthia Kisser, Leslie Stahl and 60 Minutes withheld from the public. From the Affidavit of Lowell D. Streiker May 14, 1992: "In my many years as a counselor, I have become well acquainted with the so-called anti-cult network,..." 9. "Over the years, I've attempted to keep myself appraised of what members of CAN were up to. I've read about several CAN deprogrammers being arrested for kidnapping. The most recent kidnapping arrests I've read about took place during the last two months when CAN deprogrammers Joe Szimhart, Mary Alice Chronaloger and others were arrested for the kidnapping of a 39-year-old woman from a Christian religion in Boise, Idaho." CAN lies and 60 Minutes of lies, like ARS, all they have is lies. Justin 10. On of the deprogrammers that CAN frequently referred members of the public to was Cliff Daniels. Attached is a copy of a court document filed in one of Mr. Daniel's criminal cases involving the River of Life Ministry...." 11. "...Daniels volunteered to me the information that he had used illegal drugs while imvolved in deprogrammings and that he had had sex with one of his deprogramming victims." 13. I was personally present when Daniels made arrangements with the then executive director of CAN to fly deprogrammers to California from various other states for the purpose of kidnapping members of the River of Life Ministry. "I've become very disgusted with CAN, having personally had to clean up the wreckage that was left by their deprogrammings which went sour over the years." 14. Citing CAN and deprogrammers as experts on the harm caused by non-traditional religions is like quoting leaders of the American Nazi Party as experts when they claim that the American economy is harmed by what they view as the Jewish control of banking. Not only is the uncritical acceptance of CAN dogma unfair, but it is devastating to our most cherished constitutional rights and antagonistic to the pursuit of spiritual truths by citizens of a pluralistic society." -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Why ARS fails -- It believes 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:11:30 -0600 Poor old failed ARS -- just as much a loser as criminal deprogrammer CAN. ARS posters get Minton money. Thousands of dollars. Deprogrammers got thousands of dollars to brainwash people into being robots of CAN. Believing and using 60 Minutes of Lies can only rebound on ARS because it believes and uses lies. More truth will follow. This has always been one of the reasons the Church always ultimately continues and expands: lies are used against it. The Church exposes the lies then people say wow "CAN or ARS lied to us." Then the church just goes on and expands. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: More and More 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:41:32 -0600 The following data will do away with entirely false picture 60 Minutes gave of CAN having no connection to the Jason Scott case. United States District Court Western District of Washington At Seattle Case No. C94-0079c Order "The Court concludes that the evidence supports the jury's finding on the negligence claim against CAN. CAN's attempt to distance itself from Ms. Landa's actions and Mr. Scott's deprogramming through the use of phrases such as "contact person" and "volunteer" belies the great weight of the evidence. For example, there was an abundant showing that Ms. Landa was an active member of CAN, the contact person for CAN in Washington during the time of the events in question, and under CAN's control and supervision during the time. Further, evidence also shows that Ms. Landa acted in accordance with CAN practices by distributing information on cults and referring Mr. Scott's mother, Ms. Kathy Tonkin, to Mr. Ross for deprogramming. This combination of factors, along with the rest of the evidence contained in the record, makes judgement as a matter of law or a new trial on the negligence claim unwarranted." Sahl and 60 Minutes of Lies tried to undermine the truth that came out in the Scott trial. However, the court acting on evidence not the TV lies of Kisser and 60 Minutes of Lies found the evidence warranted a conviction of CAN. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: CAN -- Conspiracy to violate civil rights From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:11:18 -0600 All that Stahl and her 60 Minutes of Lies did was suppress the truth. Here is some more of the truth: United States District Court Western District of Washington At Seattle Jason Scott Plaintiff, Case No. C94-0079C v. Order Rick Ross, et al., Defendants B. CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS CAN asserts that the evidence at trial was also insufficient to support a finding that CAN took part in a conspiracy to deprive Mr. Scott of his civil rights under 1985 (3).... Again, the Court concludes that the evidence sufficiently supports the jury's determination that CAN knowingly participated in the decision to abduct Mr. Scott and deprive him of the right to interstate travel. Moreover, the evidence conclusively established that the decision was motivated by a discriminatory animus towards his religious affiliation. For example, the evidence showed that Ms.Landa referred Ms. Tonkin to Mr. Ross, met with the deprogramming "team" during their initial trip to Washington, and met with her sister and Ms. Tonkin to discuss any legal recourse for removing Mr. Scott from his church.5 There was also substantial testimony that the conspiracy included a clear goal to hold Mr.Scott against his will, prevent him from pursuing a mission outside the country, and transport him across state lines to a retreat for ex-members of religious groups. Accordingly, judgment as a matter of law or a new trial on the civil rights claim against CAN would be inappropriate. 5. The Court also notes that further evidence in the record linked CAN to the conspiracy in a number of ways unrelated to Ms. Landa's actions alone. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS loves suppression of truth From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:34:22 -0600 The judge in the Scott trial had this to say, as he clearly recognized the lies that Ross and CAN were trying to perpetrate. He wrote: "Finally, the court notes each of the defendants' seeming incapability of appreciating the maliciousness of their conduct towards Mr. Scott." Also, "Thus, the large award given by the jury against both CAN and Mr. Ross seems reasonably necessary to enforce the jury's determination on the oppressiveness of the defendants' actions and deter similar conduct in the future." Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: 60 Minutes of Lies -- reprehensibility of CAN From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:01:07 -0600 Kisser flatly lied. 60 Minutes of Lies just took what she said with contest. That is not reporting that is a whitewash. Didn't know 60 Minutes worked for Cynthia kisser. Of course, it was noted that their was a CAN connection to the show. But here is more from the judge on CAN and the Jason Scott deprogramming. Initially, the Court notes that the reprehensibility of CAN's conduct goes far to justify the amount of the award. The continued use of euphemisms such as "involuntary deprogramming" does not aleviate the fact that the actions in furtherance of the conspiracy involved the forceful abduction and retention of an adult against his will. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS proves it prefers lies -- 60 Minutes of lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:11:06 -0600 Mark Blocksom swore to the following: 23. I would estimate that at least 50% of my cases, which number about 200, were referred by CAN, directly or indirectly. I would also estimate that there were only about 5-6 of those 200 cases that were voluntary. the rest being kidnappings or unlawful detentions. Remember that Butz admits to referrals to deprogrammers while working at CAN National headquarters. His desk was not that far from Kissers. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Blocksom and Kisser From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:51:25 -0600 Blocksom swore: 8. I, and the persons I worked and associated with , including members of CFF and CAN, were very well aware of the fact that these involuntary deprogrammings employed the illegal tactics of kidnapping and unlawful detention. 12. Cynthia Kisser, who is now the national director of CAN, assisted me on at least 2 kidnapping type deprogrammings involving members of the Way International. On one of these cases, where we had been holding the person against their will in the basement of a home in Wisconsin, she actually came and spent two days helping with the case. It was because of Kisser's involvement that we were able to complete the deprogramming. The interesting thing about this is that Blocksom's affidavit has be out far and wide and the above statement along with it. But did Kisser sue him. That is not a question. Blocksom did not get sued by Kisser for that statement or for his affidavit at all. What an glaring failure on her part. Or couldn't she. That is not a question either. She couldn't Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Kisser never sued Blockson for libel. Why? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:01:13 -0600 It wasn't libel. He didn't libel her. Justin ARS loves lies -- 60 Minutes of Lies. Desperate ARS. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: The Judge and the Jury in Scott case saw through the lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:21:05 -0600 60 Minutes of lies ran with the Cult Awareness Network lies while the Judge in the Jason Scott case saw through the lies: He found: The Court finds that there is sufficient evidence to support the jury's finding that Ms. Landa's actions were authorized or ratified by CAN. Again, by the way of example, CAN admitted to its control and supervision of its contact persons. CAN officials stated that these persons could be removed for violation of policy. However, MS. Landa was not removed for her actions and remains a CAN contact person. As noted above, testimony also established that Ms. Landa, acting in accordance with CAN's practices, disseminated inflammatory information on cults and referred Ms. Tonkin to a a known "involuntary deprogrammer." As the evidence demonstrated, it was within the knowledge of CAN and Ms. Landa that these practices would lead to Mr.Scott's abduction in this case. Thus, the Court finds that the evidence also supports the jury's determination that CAN's ratification of Ms. Landa's acts was done with knowledge of their malicious nature as well as the deliberate disregard to Mr. Scott's rights. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: More truth v 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:21:17 -0600 We, the jury, find for the defendant, Heber Jentzsch, and against the plaintiff on her claim that the defendant, Heber Jentzsch, published a libelous statement when he said: Cynthia Kisser, executive director of CAN since June 1987, has been another long-time advocate of forcible restraint and assault conducted under the guise of 'deprogramming.' Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Even more truth vs 60 Minutes of lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:21:24 -0600 We, the jury, find for the defendant, Heber Jentzsch, and against the plaintiff on her claim that the defendant, Heber Jentzsch, published a libelous statement when he said: In 1978, she deprogrammed her own sister, and then went on to conduct other assaults. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: 60 Minutes of lies -- Cynthia Kisser apologist From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:34:37 -0600 60 Minutes totally ignored any truth and even manipulate the lies. Cynthia Kisser sued the Church of Scientology for calling her a topless dancer and for saying she actively supported deprogramming. What 60 Minutes of lies left out was that after a ten day trial, a federal jury in Chicago took only a couple of hours to come back with a verdict that wholly exonerated the Church. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Blocksom Affidavit -- 60 minutes of lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:34:46 -0600 Why didn't Stahl grill the guy on this. She wanted only the lie. ` DECLARATION OF MARK BLOCKSOM I, Mark Blocksom, hereby declare the following: 1. I worked as a deprogrammer from approximately 1979 to 1989.Deprogramming was my primary source of income during that period. I was affiliated with groups of people who were starting up national organizations to combat the various religious groups that we considered cults. 2. I was a member of a group known as the Family Tree from approximately 1977 to 1979. This was basically a rehabilitation and family therapy group located in Toledo, Ohio. The group began to exercise what I considered to be mind control tactics over my life, and I left the group on my own volition after numerous discussions with close personal friends, Joe Alexander, Jr., and Tim Lush, both of whom worked as deprogrammers. 3. After leaving the Family Tree, I went to Rancho Libertad, which was another rehabilitation center in Phoenix, Arizona. This centerwas operated by George and Doug Hoeffling, and was frequently used as a rehab center by Joe Alexander, Jr. and Tim Lush. Alexander had been sued numerous times due to his deprogramming activities, and was indicted for kidnapping in Denver, Colorado in 1981. 4. After I completed my treatment at Rancho Libertad, I began working there as a staff member. Shortly after I started work there, I began to be interested in the deprogramming work that Joe and Tim were doing. I began to accompany them on some of their jobs, and soon I was familiar with the tactics of voluntary and involuntary deprogramming. 5. While working at Rancho Libertad, I began taking some of the calls for deprogramming work Joe Alexander, Jr. could not handle because of his heavy schedule. I began work as a full¬time deprogrammer in approximately 1979. Joe Alexander, Jr. had been sued many times for his deprogramming activities, and had been indicted for kidnapping in Denver, Colorado in 1981. (See Attachment #1) 6. I first became aware of the organization now known as the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) during its formative years, when it was known as Citizen's Freedom Foundation (CFF). I knew many persons who were affiliated with CFF, such as Ted Patrick, Priscilla Coates, and John Sweeney, and Cynthia Kisser. In my opinion, it was about 1983-1984 that CAN really started to be an organized, national group. 7. I became very active in my deprogramming activities during the early 1980's. The standard method by which I received referrals for involuntary deprogrammings was via phone calls to the "good old boy" network (CFF, and later, CAN members or the affiliates), who would then refer the caller to a non-CFF/non-CAN person (usually a family member of prior successful case), who would then call me and arrange the deprogramming. This "cut out" system was created to insulate CFF/CAN from legal liabilities. It was an "unwritten" guideline that the deprogrammers did not ever directly affiliate themselves with CFF or CAN for reason of legal repercussions if a deprogramming failed, or received some bad press coverage. This guideline was tacitly agreed upon by the members of CFF/CAN and the deprogrammers as a method for CFF/CAN to maintain the fiction that it was not involved in or aware of illegal kidnapping actions. 8. I, and the persons I worked and associated with, including members of CFF/CAN, were very well aware of the fact that these involuntary deprogrammings employed the illegal tactics of kidnapping and unlawful detention. 9. Some deprogrammers used techniques of sleep and food deprivation, humiliation, ridicule, deprivation of privacy, and in some cases, physical abuse and restraint to accomplish their goal of altering a persons religious views. I did not agree with and did not use these methods. 10. Generally, payment from parents or family members was made in the form of cash, so there would be no record of the event. My average fee during these years was about $3,500.00, and the average total deprogramming fee would run from $10,000.00 to $20,000.00, depending on the cost of the "security" arrangements. 11. I worked directly with certain individuals on actual kidnapping type deprogrammings, where the target had been physically restrained, and then held against his/her will while being deprogrammed. On at least two of these occasions, I used the farm home of Priscilla Coates in upstate New York, as a safe house to complete the deprogramming. At this time, Coates was the Executive Director of CFF/CAN. On one of these cases that I can recall, in about 1981 or 1982, our team had kidnapped a young Puerto Rican girl, who 3 months pregnant, from the Hare Krishnas. She was held against her will at the farm house owned by Priscilla Coates. The team consisted of myself, Danny Graham, and Tim Lush. After the deprogramming, we took the girl to a rehab center in Akron, Ohio, that was run by Debbie Heller. Debbie was very active in CFF at the time. As was customary at the time, I paid Priscilla Coates about $250.00-$300.00 for the use of her home. I recall that after the girl had completed her time at the Heller's rehab center, she went to Michigan and got an abortion. 12. Cynthia Kisser, who is now the national director of CAN, assisted me on at least 2 kidnapping type deprogramming involving members of the Way International. On one of these cases, where we had been holding the person against their will in the basement of a home in Wisconsin, she actually came and spent two days helping with the case. It was because of Kisser's involvement that we were able to complete the deprogramming. I specifically recall this case because the target had been struggling quite a bit. I believe these actions took place in the time frame of about 1981¬1982. 13. Both kisser and Coates were involved in giving me referrals for involuntary deprogrammings prior to the actual formation of CAN, while the organization was still more "loose-knit", operating as CFF. They were both, in my opinion, fully aware that the parents they sent to me as referrals were planning to have their children/family member kidnapped or unlawfully detained. I was aware through informal word of mouth referrals that Cynthia Kisser had been running several of her own deprogrammings. 14. I have also worked with Joseph Szimhart, Dennis Allen, Galen Kelly, Joe Flanagan, Karen Reinhardt, Bob Brandyberry, Pat Ryan, Kevin Garvey, and Randy Burkey; most all of these cases being involuntary deprogrammings. I have personnal knowledge that each of these individuals was closely affiliated with CFF/CAN. 15. Many of us in the deprogramming field would frequently attend the CFF/CAN conferences and conventions, both regional and national. At these conventions, we would speak to parents and other attendees, for the purpose of soliciting deprogramming business, or at least making our availability known in anti-cult circles. Many of us involves in deprogramming were actually guest speakers, or served on discussion panels where deprogramming was discussed. I was a speaker on "exit counseling" at the 1985 CAN convention. This was a play on words, as it was well known that most all of my deprogrammings were involuntary. (see Attachment #2) During the time period of my involvement with the field of deprogramming, based upon my direct knowledge and working experience, any statement issued by CFF/CAN officials that indicates they were unaware of deprogrammings being set up through their group is simply untrue. 16. I have been arrested at least 5 times for kidnapping related charges. I have never even gone to trial in even one of these cases, due largely to the fact that it was my policy to get the family directly involved in the actual kidnapping. This would make it much harder for the target to want to pursue criminal prosecution, since it would mean they would also have to prosecute a family member. 17. I attented a CAN conference in 1983, where a special meeting of all the persons involved in deprogramming was held. This meeting was for the purpose of establishing some sort of ethics committee, to perhaps standardize the actions of the deprogrammers. This was due to the fact that several of us had been arrested, and bad publicity was a problem. Initially, Michael Rokos was going to be the director of this committee, but the plan was never implemented, and kidnapping type deprogramming acts continued. Michael Rokos was later the president of CAN, but resigned when his earlier criminal background was exposed. (See Attachment #3) 18. I was involved in a kidnapping type deprogramming in the Denver, Colorado area, in about 1987. This target in this action was Jonathan Ruth. This deprogramming directly involved the local CAN chapter director, George Reher, by using her home as a safe house for the deprogramming. The local police were notified by some of Ruth's friends, but we were not arrested, because by the time the police arrived, Ruth was willing to stay with us voluntarily. I was also assisted in this deprogramming by Kevin Garvey, who had been affiliated for a long time with CFF/CAN. Garvey was also affiliated with another organization called American Family Foundation (AFF), which is another similar to CFF/CAN. (SeeAttachment #4) Garvey was very cautious about ever being connected with any criminal activity, because he had educational degrees and did not want to risk his image by being arrested. He was, however, fully aware of the Ruth deprogramming being a kidnapping operation, and he did assist me with counselling Ruth while Ruth was still being held against his will at the Rehrer's residence. Garvey would usually charge either $500.00 per day or $80.00 per hour to do counselling on the cases. Local police records prove that these CAN related individuals were in fact present at the deprogramming. (SeeAttachment #5) 19. After Cynthia Kisser became the director of CAN, I spoke to her and other CAN officials about in-progress deprogrammings I was involved in. This would usually be for the purpose of obtained additional assistance, or with obtaining written materials about a particular group. Kisser would usually respond something to the effect of, "I don't want to hear about it." This type of responsewas due to Kisser's concern about CAN being tied directly into kidnapping type deprogrammings. It was, in my opinion, very well understood that CAN condoned my actions, as well as those of all the other deprogrammers. Kisser never took any actions to dissuade me from continuing kidnapping type deprogrammings. She was aware that I specialized in that type of deprogramming, and it was tacitly understood that if she referred a case to me, that a kidnapping could, and probably would occur. I believe that CAN maintained a referral list of deprogrammers, and I was on the list. 20. I have also spoken to Ron Loomis of Cornell University, in New York, while he was active in CAN board activities. He was very discreet about his wordings relating to the kidnapping issue. I felt he was also trying not to be directly related to such actions, even though he was making referrals to me. I considered it very much of a "word game", specifically engineered to avoid any possibility of criminal conspiracy. However, Loomis was present as an observer at a kidnapping I did in Union Springs, New York, in about 1982. In this case, we kidnapped Margie Spingler from the Moonies, and we held her at the home of Joyce and George Martin, who were very active CFF people. Debbie Coy assisted me on this case. Loomis just observed at the request of the Martins. The Martins were hoping to get Loomis involved in this activity because of his status as a professor at Syracuse University, where the Martin's Daughter had been recruited into a cult years earlier. 21. During my kidnapping arrest in Bellingham, Washington, CAN members and parents and families of people we had helped, arranged for their local contacts to influence the community and the DA's office, by having all their friends and relatives call in to the DA's office, trying to stop the criminal action pending against us. This was the only time I was aware of any help that came my way after an arrest. This was a case where I plead guilty to a lesser offense and was then released, and told not to come back to Washington again by the autorities. (See Attachment #6) 22. I worked with Galen Kelly, who was a licensed private investigator in New York, on several kidnapping type deprogrammings. I actually worked on his licence, but the only work I ever did had to do with our deprogramming activities. I believe that his primary reason for involvement in these actions was because he thought it would be a draw to his investigations business due to the publicity it made. Kelly was convicted of assault in 1979 for pistol whipping a member of the Unification Church. (See Attachment #7) Kelly and I had a fee split agreement, but I did not continue the arrangement, because he was not very good at fulfilling his responsibilities toward the deprogramming. He liked to just show up, spend a little time with the family, and then leave. He wasn't really good at talking with the target. In addition, while I was working with kelly, I became aware of some financial irregularities, relating to Kelly having already taken in advance retainers for deprogrammings, and then having spent the money on either other cases, or for his personal matters. This activity caused us to cut corners on current cases, and also caused several of us on the deprogramming teams to not be paid for our work. 23. I would estimate that at least 50% of my cases, which number about 200, were referred by CAN, directly or indirectly. I would also estimate that there were onlyy about 5-6 of these 200 cases that were voluntary, the rest being kidnappings or unlawful detentions. I was directly involved in the kidnapping deprogramming of Robyn Kliger, the daughter of Eunice Kliger, who became active in the Northern California CAN affiliate. Also involved were Joe Szimhart, Dennis Allen, and Karen Reinhardt. Joe Szimhart made the initial arrangements, and then brought me into the case. The deprogramming started with the kidnapping of the daughter in Canada. During that time period I had occasion to meet and spend a good amount of time with both Eunice Kliger and her husband, Ben kliger, who was a medical doctor. At one of our meetings, Eunice came into the room carrying a hatbox. When she opened it, I saw munerous bottles of prescription drugs, all prescribed to her. These drugs consisted of Percodan, Dexedrine, Dalmane, and Valium. I commented to her about this and her response was to accuse me of stealing some of her drugs. I did not ever take any of her prescribed medications. Eunice appeared to me to be under the influence of these sustances most of the time. When I questioned Ben Kliger about the matter, he said he was aware of the problem. He had not actually prescribed the drugs, but had some of his other friends who were doctors issue the prescriptions. He said it was because of her past injury in an automobile accident and that she was much better to be around when she was taking the medications than when she was not taking them. I always felt that Eunice was a very emotionally unstable person, due in part to the drugs she took, and for other unkown reasons. Eunice became, in my opinion, somewhat of a fanatic as it related to her involvement with CAN. Kliger was also arrested 2 times for shoplifting. (See Attachment #8) 25. I was aware of the fact that during the days when Ted Patrick was heavily involved in deprogrammings, up till about 1981, that he used an Cliff Daniels, another deprogrammer who had worked closely with Patrick, who, as I heard, used the same basic methods as Patrick. 26. One person I worked with frequently was Joe Szimhart. We did about 12-15 cases together, only one of which was a non-kidnapping case. I understood that during the times I worked with Joe Szimhart, he operated the CAN affiliate in the New Mexico area. One reason that CAN liked Joe Szimhart was that he also did some voluntary deprogrammings, which made for better publicity. Szimhart is currently facing trial in Idaho for kidnapping. (See Attachment #9) 27. I elected not to work with Rick Ross, a CAN deprogrammer from Phoenix, Arizona. I did not like the way he thought about deprogrammming as a whole. He considered that all Christians should be converted to Easten type religions. I considered him to be very unstable, and dangerous to the success of any operation. Ross was arrested in Washington in 1991 for kidnapping, and was convicted twice for felony violations in Arizona in 1975. I first became involved with Karen Reinhardt when I was involved in the deprogramming of her husband, Tom Christianson, it was a kidnapping type deprogramming in Racine, Wisconsin. Her husband had been involved in the Divine Light Mission for over 10 years. Karen actually helped some on the case, and the deprogramming was successful. This case took place in about 1981-1982. I didn't have contact with her for several years. In about 1987, I heard Karen was available to help with deprogrammings. I had her help, along with Lisa Mercedes Hughes, and Joe Szimhart, on the kidnapping of Jennifer Jacobs, a member of the Rama group. Her family was from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Her father had been referred to me after contact with CAN in Pennsylvania. This was not successful, and the girl went back to Rama. (See Attachment #9) Karen was also involved in a kidnapping case in Tucson, Arizona of a girl from 3HO, which is a guru/Krishna type group. This case also had myself, Pat Ryan, and Joe Szimhart, with Brian Lee, Larry Riley, and Bob Shepard as the security team. This case occured in September of 1988. 29. In approximately 1981¬1982, I received referrals for deprogramming from Bob Tucker in Lyons, Kansas. We actually completed deprogramming at their home. He and his wife were active in CFF. On one occasion in about 1983, when I arrived at the Tucker home to assist with a deprogramming, I found the subject, whose name I can't recall, tied with rope. I forced them to untie the subject. One of the other parties involved was Debbie Coy. I recall that they kidnapped the target in Texas, and then drove him to the Tucker's in Kansas. (See Attachment #10) 30. In about 1987, I worked on a kidnapping type deprogramming with Bob Brandyberry, the target was Jorgen Peterson, a Danish Moonie from Sacramento, California. The deprogramming team on this cae was myself, Bob Brandyberry, and another ex¬Moonie from Sweden, whose name I can't recall. I was aware of many rumors that alluded to Bob Brandyberry being either gay or bi¬sexual. There was one to do with accusations of discussed at a CAN convention, which had to do with accusations of Branbyberry sleeping in the same bed with a male subject he was deprogramming. According to these discussions, the subject went to live with Brandyberry after the deprogramming. I personally felt that it was probably true, as I also felt Brandeberry was gay or bi¬sexual. 31. I worked on 2 cases with Joe Flanagan, one in 1979, involving Joe Cancilla, where I was arrested along with the rest of the team. Cancilla's father, on a separate deprogramming attempt, accidentally shot his son with a gun. Another one occurred in about 1980 in Philadelphia, where we were able to establish a conservatorship on the target. I don't recall the man's name. Both of these cases involved Scientology. (See Attachment #11) During the latter years of my deprogramming activities, I began to work most often with Joe Szimhart as my first choice co-worker. We did mostly new age, metaphysical, and guru type groups together. We did a Europe trip together, in about 1989, and spent about 1 month there trying to do several deprogrammings of a Bible group. Joe was also involved in a case, in about 1988, where we kidnapped Maurice Mader, a member of Church Universal Triumphant, in New Jersey. Many of the cases I did with Joe came in as a referral from Joe, I believe while he was the CAN affiliate in New Mexico. (See Attachment #12) 33. I was also involved in at least 2 deprogrammings with Pat Ryan. One was in about 1988, and involved Hare Krishna named Bill Crockett, from Boston. The rest of the deprogramming team was Joe Szimhart, Jonathan Nordquist, and myself. This case was an unlawful detention deprogramming. It was not successful. During the Crockett deprogramming attempt, I recall talking to Ron Loomis, then the president of CAN, about the case, as the deprogramming was not going well. Bob Crockett, Bill's father, later told me he had used Steve Hassan to do phone counselling for his son, at an extremely expensive rate, which got not results. He said he felt he spent a lot of money for nothing. The other case I recall with Ryan involved the son of Drs. Ralph and Teresa Smith, of West Virginia. His name was Jason Smith. This was another unlawful detention type case, where we didn't allow the son to leave after he had been tricked into returning home. I was aware Ryan was very active in CAN matters. I have recalled these above described incidents to the best of my ability. I no longer have access to my notes from the cases, which were lost in about 1987. I have not been promised, nor have I received any compensation for revealing this information. I have given this information freely and openly, and without any coercion whatsoever. Signed under penalty of perjury, pursuant to the laws of the State of Ohio, on the 18 th day of July, 1992. Mark Blocksom -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Suspicious deaths connected to SP Times From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:21:27 -0600 I am working on something related to exposing suspicious deaths of St Petersburg Times employees over the past ten years. A cursory investigation done of current and former St Pete Times employees who have died over the past ten years shows that with 3500 employees at any given time there have been 400 deaths, 105 of which were persons under the age of 60. Stay tuned the data is on the way. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: St Pete Times Suspicious Death #2 From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:41:14 -0600 This St Pete Times employee died under the most suspicious circumstances. Aug 14, 1992 W.A. didn't show up for work. His supervisor went to his apartment and found him lying nude on the floor. There were bugs all over the place and his body was covered with insect bites. Now it gets interesting: No autopsy was done. No toxicology test were done. No police investigation. Manner of death was determined as "probably natural," and cause of death, atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease." Very suspicious. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton Money: Will it be the downfall of Ward From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:34:09 -0600 Ward may have made a grevious error in accepting Minton Money. I just have this feeling that it was not the wisest thing for him to do. But I also hear others are clamouring away at Minton for more of his bucks. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Any unflattering Affidavit on CAN --60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:41:08 -0600 DECLARATION OF JOHN MYLES SWEENEY, JR. I, JOHN MYLES SWEENEY, JR., do hereby declare and state: 1. I am the former president of the Los Angeles, California organization named the Citizens Freedom Foundation, Inc. (CFF). I am also the former national director of the Citizens Freedom Foundation, which is comprised of affiliate chapters. Both the Los Angeles affiliate of the CFF and the national organization of CFF later changed their names to the Cult Awareness Network, Inc. (CAN). The national offices of CAN are now located in Illinois. Cynthia Kisser is presently the national executive director of CAN. 2. Several of CAN's present members, such as Adrian Greek from Portland, Oregon and Henrietta Crampton from Southern California were members of the national board of directors for CFF at the same time that I was CFF's national director. Because of this, I had frequent contact with them and I am very knowledgeable about their CFF activities. 3. During the time I was national director of CFF, CFF frequently referred members of the public to individuals known as "deprogrammers." Some deprogrammers were CFF members who were actively involved in the illegal kidnappings of adults and in the subsequent false imprisonment of their kidnap victims in an attempt to force them to relinquish their chosen religious beliefs. This process is called by a number of different names such as "deprogramming," "rescuing" and "exit-counselling", however, they all mean the same thing. Numerous CFF and CAN deprogrammers have been arrested and convicted for kidnapping and false imprisonment since the formation of CFF. 4. Deprogrammers charge thousands of dollars to perform these illegal services. Because of the large amount of money they make due to referrals received from CFF members, deprogrammers usually kick-back money to the CFF member who gave the referral. I recall that some referrals and subsequent kick-backs were made through CFF member Irene Serr. The kick-backs would either be in cash or would be hidden in the form of a tax deductable "donation" to the CFF. 5. Because of the huge amount of money that deprogrammers made, most became selfish, greedy and would resort to almost any illegal and unethical act to accomplish the deprogramming and make lots of money. 6. Some of the deprogrammers the CFF referred the public to were Steve Hassan, Ted Patrick, Cathy Mills, Mary Alice Chrnaloger, Bob Brandyberry, Erica Heftman, Gary Scharff, Ken Conners, Cliff Daniels, Joe Alexander, Mark Bloxson, Lowell Streiker, Joe Szimhart and Dave Clark. Mark Roggeman, a national CFF board member, was even convicted of kidnapping. 7. Adrian Greek, who was the national chairman of CFF at the same time that I was its national director, had an adult daughter in the Unification Church. Mr. Greek was very cheap and didn't want to pay money to hire a deprogrammer. He then attempted to get a deprogrammer to deprogram his daughter in exchange for Mr. Greek's future referrals of client's to the deprogrammer. 8. During the period I was the national director of CFF, I frequently attempted to regulate deprogrammers and have them abide by a code of ethics. Many deprogrammers had sex with their victims and used drugs during the deprogrammings. The CFF board of directors and the CFF membership refused to adopt an type of a code of ethics. I have attached to this declaration a copy of a letter I wrote to Ms. Leslie Elliott about the subject of a deprogrammer's code of ethics. Also attached is a copy of a memo I wrote to all CFF affiliates and key people about the use of rehab facilities which deprogrammers use as part of the deprogramming process. Presently, CAN National board member, Paul Martin, runs a deprogramming rehab center in Albany, Ohio. 9. Although discrimination by tax-exempt organizations is illegal, several members of CFF refused to allow persons they didn't approve of to attend CFF meetings and functions. 10. I finally got fed-up with the lack of ethics displayed by deprogrammers, CFF board members and other CFF members. Most were very hypocritical and only wanted to blame organized religions for the reason that family members chose different religious faiths. I believe that many family members of loved ones refused to recognize that they were at least in part to blame for the flight of their loved ones to their new chosen religious faiths. Attached is a copy of a memo I wrote to CFF affiliates and "Key People" regarding the future of CFF. Also attached is a copy of a one page letter from me to members of the CFF regarding Curt and Henrietta Crampton's "Quick Pay" methods. The letter also mentions Adrian Greek and some of the reasons I felt that the CFF, "should not support the money grabbing, amateur kooks that claim to want to help parents but end up ripping them off for thousands of dollars." 11. Since terminating involvement with CFF, I've attempted to keep myself apprised of what members of CFF, and subsequently CAN, were up to. Over the years, I've read about several CAN deprogrammers being arrested for kidnapping. The most recent kidnapping arrests I've read about took place during the last two months when CAN deprogrammers Joe Szimhart, Mary Alice Chrnaloger and others were arrested for the kidnapping of a 39 year old woman from a Christian religion in Boise, Idaho. A copy of some of the press clippings about the kidnapping are attached. 12. One of the deprogrammers that CFF, and later CAN, frequently referred members of the public to was Cliff Daniels. Attached is a copy of a court document filed in one of Mr. Daniels' criminal cases. The document was prepared by the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office after Mr. Daniels was arrested and charged with 3 counts of kidnapping, 7 counts of false imprisonment and 1 count of burglary. The document describes how the deprogramming occured. Also attached is a copy of the Criminal Information filed in this case, a copy of one of the newspaper articles about Mr. Daniels' arrest and copies of other relevant materials. 13. I've also learned that CAN didn't form a deprogrammer's ethics committee until October 1987. However, a letter on CAN National letterhead dated July 21, 1988, from national executive director Cynthia Kisser to Mardell Zinke, stated that it was disbanded because CAN'S legal counsel advised them to do so. This was done so CAN could avert potential liability problems that might arise. A copy of this letter, as well as copies of two letters from Mrs. Zinke to Mrs. Kisser are attached. 14. I believe that CAN still attempts to convince the public that it is not now, nor has it ever been, connected with deprogrammers. This is an absolute lie and should never be accepted as true. CAN's formation of the previously mentioned deprogrammer's ethics committee speaks for itself in this matter. I declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of Arizona and under the laws of the United States that the statements in this declaration are true and correct. Signed this 17 day of March, 1922, in Maricopa County, State of Arizona. JOHN MYLES SWEENEY, JR. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: CAN -- History of Violence and crime From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:01:31 -0600 The history of the Cult Awareness Network was one of violence and crime. Not surprisingly, many of its officers and members have faced criminal charges. The felony littered career of CAN's co-founder, Ted Patrick, the criminal past hypocrisy of its president, Michael Rokos, and the extensive criminal record of its favored deprogrammer, Rick Ross. CAN wrecked more lives for money than will wver be truly known. Yet, 60 Minutes of lies ignored all that and went after the people who fought them so that constitutional right of freedom of religion was protected. What 60 Minutes did is an outrage to freedom of the press and freedom of religion. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Journalism sold out by 60 Minutes of lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:11:15 -0600 The media should act to put in ethics on 60 Minutes. 60 Minutes of Lies gave media another black eye last night -- it twisted the truth and even felt the need to manipulate outright lies. What it was propaganda for CAN a dead CAN at that. Who in the blazes is Stahl working for. She did say something about the producer have a connection to a lawyer litigating a case involving the Church. Man alive, sold out was only half of. She and 60 Minutes of lies can have no credibility left with anyone but ARS. ARS believes only lies. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Where the controversy really comes from -- CAN and 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:21:10 -0600 The core conflict is then exacerbated by the mass media that is less interested in accuracy than in printing exciting stories containing inflammatory allegations about religious movements. From James R. Lewis Where Controversy Really Comes From Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: More deaths at the St Pete Times From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:21:42 -0600 Sept 17, 1995 St Pete Times employee G. H. This death was signed out accidental as "atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease." Death was originally reported as drowning in a swimming pool, but his wife said his head never went under water. He had seen a doctor for rapid heart rate but was not put on medication. The detective on the scene wanted a check done for the possibility of poisoning. No follow-up was done, no autopsy done, no toxicology test done. This no autopsy, no toxicology done is a common thread for dead St Pete Times employees. Makes one wonder. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: CAN is dead From: justin@directnet.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:34:05 -0600 What more can be said. Its own criminal life did it in. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: 60 Minutes of lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:11:16 -0600 Dennis Erlich wrote: (actually too vulgar and general to bother posting) Kelly's own records made public in court proceedings show he received more than $11,000 from CAN in 1992, including at least six $1,500 retainers during the period of the Dobkowski abduction was being planned and organized. The abduction and deprogramming hadn't even gone down yet. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Facts vs 60 Minutes of Lies and Dennis From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:41:22 -0600 ARS and 60 Minutes of Lies defended CAN and CAN deprogrammers. ARS supports the unleashing of deprogrammers to again terrorize religious freedom in America. Deprogrammers of Count Reidhaven, Szimhart and West are reported to have received over $100,000 for the Reidhaven deprogramming. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Where the controversy really comes from -- CAN and 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:01:26 -0600 In article <34aa6f91.5199957@news.supernews.com>, grady@promisecreepers.org wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:21:10 -0600, justin@directnet.com wrote: > >The core conflict is then exacerbated by the mass media that is less > >interested in accuracy than in printing exciting stories containing > >inflammatory allegations about religious movements. > > > > Grady Ward grady@promisecreepers.org +1 707 826 7712 > http://209.66.96.19/g/r/grady/ > 924E 7EE8 3225 09F8 E6D4 2D42 B9EE AA04 97/10/26 > May I suggest you stick to the lurid, blood crimes spam? > It is far more engaging than the about metalevel shit. > > Can't get your shit together on the suit, eh? Need more time. You are just out for some more money from Minton. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: L. Ron Hubbard - Family Man From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:11:33 -0600 "snip" The California Court of Appeal dismissed Armstrong's appeal on 23 December 97. And is under a permanent injunction. He is in contempt of court and fled the country. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Bald Faced Liar From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:41:31 -0600 on 30 Dec 1997 grady@promisecreepers.org wrote: "Snip" Ward did PR flack work for Minton. The fact is that Ward does not have proof that it was not Minton or someone he may or may not have spread his largesse upon who did the deed of planting the dead cat. Minton had the opportunity and the reason. And coming from Ward, the whole defence of Minton is suspect because of the thousands upon thousands of dollars Ward received from Minton. I cannot believe this Ward on anything. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Bald Faced Liar From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:01:16 -0600 Tilman Hausherr wrote: "never" Where did Minton get his "unsubstantiated reports" from? Or for that matter his rumours? Sheesh! ML (Minton Lies) are turning up all over the place on ARS, as well, of course, a his money. ML Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Minton Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:01:20 -0600 Add ML to the lexicon. It means -- MINTON LIES. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: St Pete Times Suspicious Death #2 From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:11:29 -0600 In article <34a859b9.92485750@news.mindspring.com>, tdevon@mindspring.com (T. Devon Sharkey) wrote: > > > >? It may > bear some investigation... It does bear investigating. Times employees drop dead all around Pinellas and no autopsies are done. Whoa. That is suspicious. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Kisser never sued Blockson for libel. Why? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:21:22 -0600 In article <34a944c1.13483189@snews2.zippo.com>, mirele@super.zippo.com (Deana Holmes) wrote: > > O > > Cynthia Kisser was/is a public figure, and in order for her to have a > successful lawsuit against a libeler, she'd have to show that the > libel was done with malicious intent. > > Deana > mirele@xmission.com Doesn't work as an answer, after all she sued the Church the jury rejected her line so fast she hasn't stopped spinning yet. Better get out the law books or buy a brain. She didn't sue blocksom because she would have lost big time. He had witnesses. She couldn't expose herself. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Justin: Were You Paid to Leak IRS Extortion Agreement From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:34:15 -0600 Robert Minton wrote: The WHO Were you paid to pay ARS posters? Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: 60 Minutes of Lies -- reprehensibility of CAN From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:41:07 -0600 In article <19971230022400.VAA08019@ladder02.news.aol.com>, exile49@aol.com (Exile49) wrote: > > >60 Minutes of Lies just took what she said without contest. > > > And, by the way, > > > Criminals usually provide the evidence for their undoing. CAN did. I quote: "Finally, the Court notes each of the defendants' seeming incapability of appreciating the maliciousness of their conduct towards Mr. Scott." And I quote: "Initially, the Court notes that reprehensibility of CAN's conduct goes far to justify the amount of the award." And remember: a jury in Chicago rejected CAN and Kisser's claims against the Church so fast Cynthia is still spinning. Minton's Lies (ML) ARSL (ARS Lies) Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: ARS and 60 Minutes supports deprogramming From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:51:43 -0600 In article <19971230015401.UAA04019@ladder02.news.aol.com>, doe1thru5@aol.com (Doe1thru5) wrote: > > >From: justin@directnet.com > > >Deprogramming is the criminal activity of kidnapping, imprisonment, > >physical abuse, sexual abuse, and psychological abuse employed by highly > >paid thugs to break the religious faith of people. > > A highly accurate statement. > > >And ARS and 60 Minutes obviously supports in full the criminal activity of > >forcible breaking of a persons faith. > > A delusional statement. ARS is not a homogeneous body of people. 60 Minutes > avoided the question of whether strong-arm religious advocacy is acceptable. > (There aren't as good ratings in that kind of serious look at events, so there > is no reason to suppose 60 Minutes would attempt any serious inquiry along > those lines. It's not in the tabloid TV tradition to be that thoughtful.) It > implied that "help" was available via CAN, and seemingly gave tacit approval to > some of the foremost marketers and promoters of religious violence, but did > not go any further from what I can see. > > Read the newsgroup, Justin. > > d15 60 Minutes has gone a long way down toward the bottom, as ratings were obviously the target for part of the program. But they gave more than tacit nodding of approval of deprogramming. They even manipulated Kisser's lies to make it even more controversial and greater ratings. Read the Blocksom affidavit, the Streiker affidavit, and the Sweeny affi, and it is clear that she could never sue them because they had the inside on CAN's real activities. They had witnesses. The jury rejected the very same data 60 Minutes used when it was presented by Kisser at the trial. The jury found for the Church 100%. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Kisser Couldn't Sue Blocksom -- He had witnesses From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:01:22 -0600 Kisser never sued blocksom over some very crucial statements. She couldn't. She'd have lost. He had witnesses. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: 60 Minutes of lies --revisited From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:35:37 -0600 60 Minutes of Lies shows how far and desperately south 60 Minutes has come. Not once was it mentioned that the total substance of the program was rejected by a jury in Chicago when Kisser and CAN tried to use all 60 Minutes used against the Church. She lost her case so badly the jury took only two hours to find for the Church and against Kisser. And remember, 60 Minutes of lies tried to use Blocksom and paint it otherwise than the truth. The fact is that Kisser never sued Blocksom for what he said. She couldn't as it was true. He had witnesses. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: More deaths at the St Pete Times From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:51:07 -0600 In article <34a96f02.5056438@news.supernews.com>, grady@promisecreepers.org wrote: > > > >This no autopsy, no toxicology done is a common thread for dead St Pete > >Times employees. > > > > > Ward (speaking for the old CAN) > > -- > For a man who has received thousands upon thousnds from Minton, I believe that law enforcement would be interested in just exactly what Ward received that money for. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: scientologist "Justin" Spams before bad news hits From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:51:17 -0600 Bad news is certainly hitting ARS: Ward bankruptcy lifted. Armstrong's appeal gets tossed. He is in contempt. And running from the law. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS- "Quote" of the week From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:01:08 -0600 And Scientology just keeps on expanding. Even 60 Minutes of lies suppressing all the truth and going with all the lies shows that all ARS and 60 Minutes of Lies only have lies to use. Pitiful, really pitiful Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Scientology -- Forever Expanding From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:01:12 -0600 Poor old ARS just keeps slinging the lies. Gets all excited when 60 Minutes of lies slings the lies. But what does it get them. Scientology expands more. I heard a whole lot of positive calls came into the new CAN after the 60 Minutes of lies show. Poor old ARS. Just can't understand. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS very busy defending its lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:01:05 -0600 ARS posters have been frantic recently defending their lies. It has always been that way on ARS. A number of them have seen the truth over the years and departed. So ARS has its disaffected too. Those who didn't want to lie anymore to suppress religious freedom. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: journalism sold out by 60 Minutes of lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:01:13 -0600 This post brought up Minton again. He is trying everything to avoid going into deposition. Of course, the reason is obvious. Some might interesting stuff is going to come out of that depo. Minton is squirming. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: 60 Minutes of lies -- the Aunt From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:01:20 -0600 I wonder what the viewers thought of 60 Minutes of lies disclosing the aunts connection. I bet that is first time 60 Minutes had to do that. Man, Stahl even put a spin on that. You know trying to push it under the rug. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: IRS finally obeyed the law and gave the Church Tax-Exemption From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:11:16 -0600 ARS posters rant against the law in any form. Even when the IRS obeyed the law of the land and granted tax-exemption to the Church the ARS posters rant. Rant against the law. It must be the tax-evaders that have infiltrated ARS causing this rant. Na, I think its just ARS posters who protest any law being observed. The Church is tax exempt. ARS posters promote lawless behavior for our government agencies, particularly the IRS. What about citizens the IRS has abused. ARS protesters seem to like the IRS not obeying the laws. I bet regular lawful citizens don't. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: ARS wants the IRS to break the law again From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:11:23 -0600 The IRS finally followed the law and granted the church tax-exemption, as it should have from the start. But ARS posters, fearing lawfulness, prefer that it hadn't. ARS posters wanted an outlaw IRS to continue to break the law. But some lawful IRS agents decided it was time to obey the law. ARS poster lose. They just can't stop the Church. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Scientology -- expanding From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:21:06 -0600 Just a reminder that Scientology is expanding. And will continue to expand. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY ? From: justin@directnet.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:21:14 -0600 In article <34a847b0.2228876@193.12.69.3>, The.Galactic.Federation@ThePentagon.com (Anti-Cult) wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:44:13 -0000. > "miKe" . > From: . > Wrote on the subject: Re: WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY ?: > > > Scientology is the fastest growing religion on the planet. It is that for two reason 1. LRH and his technology. 2. A great Church management. ARS just can't beat it. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Fraudulent Email Address? "clam@CoS.com" From: justin@directnet.com (justin@directnet.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 06:51:40 GMT On 30 Dec 1997 22:37:05 -0800, plight@rocketmail.com wrote: >clam@CoS.com (justin)- posted a number of messages today in an apparent attempt >to, at first look, impersonate justin@directnet.com. Bwahahahaha! You scientologists are such nuts! [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Copyright criminal -- Grady Ward From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:01:13 -0600 In article <34cc8ff8.793555131@snews.zippo.com>, z_thomas@die_spammers.ix.netcom.com (Zane) wrote: > 'all trying to obtain > Grady's legal strategy? > > Ward has got a major problem. He received money from Minton. Financial gain for his activity would be a serious serious situation for Ward. And with other ARS poster clamouring for Minton money, serious problems for the whole of ARS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Part II of Co$/IRS agreement: analysis From: justin@directnet.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:21:09 -0600 Deana Holmes wrote: Since "snip" The agreement is straight forward. The IRS obviously did a great job. They applied the tax code fairly and did the American people proud. But ARS doesn't like that. Oh, no. They said it was bad bad. Secret meant bad. Secret, smecret. Nothing there. Phoney ARS hype. Big deal. ARS lied again. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: look what Minton bought! From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:51:51 -0600 In article <68c6d5$qcj$1@mistletoe.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, dst@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote: > > > Bob Minton once offered a $360,000 reward to anyone who provided the > information that got Scientology's tax exemption rescinded. > > Today the Wall Street Journal published the secret closing agreement > between Scientology and the IRS on their web site. Articles about the > agreement appeared in the WSJ, the AP News wire, and the Tax Analysts > web site. > > Inquiring minds want to know: > > * Who was the WSJ's source for this secret document? Two popular theories: > 1. Current IRS management leaked it, so they can get out from > under it before the shit hits the fan. > 2. CoS exec (ah, make that former exec) Marty Rathbun leaked it. > > * Will someone now step forward to claim the Minton reward money? (The > offer has expired, but maybe Bob will fund their legal defense if > CoS tries to "ruin them utterly".) > > Maybe they have already claimed it. The IRS investigation is certainly going to be knocking at Minton's door. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Copyright criminal -- Grady Ward From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:01:38 -0600 In article <34cc8ff8.793555131@snews.zippo.com>, z_thomas@die_spammers.ix.netcom.com (Zane) wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:46:37 GMT, wgert@loop.com (wgert) wrote: > > >So why are you trying to delay the case? You've had long enough for > >your preparations considering that you don't do nothing else all day > >(except play on the net). > > > Grady's legal strategy? > > Zane Knock,Knock. Ward: Whose there?? KNOCK,KNOCK: The IRS. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Why ARS fails -- It believes 60 Minutes of Lies From: justin@directnet.com Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:21:36 -0600 In article , hkhenson@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote: > > justin@directnet.com wrote: > > snip > > : ARS posters get Minton money. Thousands of dollars. > > snip > > If anyone wonders why a.r.s has been so busy lately, it is because of Justin. > > BTW, does this fall under the "make money fast" catagory? Keith Henson Minton's money has bought a PR flack machine at least. But real seriously now. An IRS investigation into the leak could have them knocking on ARS posters doors. And that won't fun for ARS posters. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet [END POST] [NEW POST] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: re: Ward -- Mouth piece for CAN From: justin@directnet.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:01:10 -0600 Ward has taken on being an apologist for old CAN -- he's receiving Minton money. This poster -- I don't know if they received any money -- apparently is an apologist also. To support an organization that terrorized families in order to reap thousands of dollars from kidnapping, rapping and psychologically brutalizing their children is indefencible. This poster is defending such actions. This is rephrehensible. Justin -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet